Привет, J8079s, и добро пожаловать в Википедию! Спасибо за ваш вклад . Надеюсь, вам понравится это место и вы решите остаться. Вот несколько страниц, которые могут оказаться вам полезными:
Надеюсь, вам понравится редактировать здесь и быть Википедистом ! Пожалуйста, подписывайте свои сообщения на страницах обсуждений, используя четыре тильды (~~~~); это автоматически вставит ваше имя пользователя и дату. Если вам нужна помощь, посетите Wikipedia:Questions , спросите меня на моей странице обсуждения или задайте свой вопрос на этой странице, а затем поместите {{helpme}}перед вопросом. И снова, добро пожаловать! Freestyle-69 ( обсуждение ) 22:23, 16 ноября 2008 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Быстрое удалениеноминация «Поворотные устройства прямого подъема»
На устройства Rotary direct lift был помещен тег с просьбой о его скорейшем удалении из Википедии. Это было сделано в соответствии с разделом A3 критериев скорейшего удаления , поскольку это статья без какого-либо содержания или содержание которой состоит только из внешних ссылок, раздела «См. также», ссылок на книги, тегов категорий, тегов шаблонов, ссылок interwiki, перефразирования заголовка или попытки связаться с темой статьи. Пожалуйста, см. Wikipedia:Stub для наших минимальных стандартов информации для коротких статей. Также, пожалуйста, обратите внимание, что статьи должны быть посвящены известным темам и должны содержать ссылки на надежные источники , которые подтверждают их содержание. Вы можете рассмотреть возможность использования мастера для помощи в создании статей — см. Мастер статей .
Если вы считаете, что это уведомление было размещено здесь по ошибке, вы можете оспорить удаление, добавив его в начало страницы, которая была номинирована на удаление (сразу под существующим тегом быстрого удаления или "db"), вместе с добавлением заметки на странице обсуждения , объясняющей вашу позицию, но имейте в виду, что после того, как страница была отмечена тегом быстрого удаления, если она соответствует критерию, она может быть удалена без задержки. Пожалуйста, не удаляйте тег быстрого удаления самостоятельно, но не стесняйтесь добавлять на страницу информацию, которая сделает ее более соответствующей политике и рекомендациям Википедии. Наконец, обратите внимание, что если страница будет удалена, вы можете связаться с одним из этих администраторов , чтобы попросить их сделать страницу пользовательской или отправить вам копию по электронной почте. ttonyb ( обсуждение ) 06:29, 5 января 2010 (UTC) [ ответ ]{{hangon}}
Предлагаемое удалениеСабианцев Нового Века
Статья «Сабианцы Нового Века» предлагается к удалению по следующим причинам:
Вы можете предотвратить предлагаемое удаление, удалив уведомление, но, пожалуйста, объясните причину в резюме редактирования или на странице обсуждения статьи.{{dated prod}}
Большое спасибо за вашу поддержку моего запрошенного перемещения Geber в Jābir ibn Hayyān . Перемещение уже произошло, и я немного подправил ссылки и часть содержания статьи Jābir ibn Hayyān. Я не смогу сделать с ней (или с псевдо- статьей Geber) больше в течение недели или около того, но я, по крайней мере, хорошенько ее постираю и ополосну, когда смогу.
Я заметил, что вы добавляете {{ vn }} во многие статьи (совершенно правильно). Довольно часто это происходит, когда кто-то берет материал из источника и добавляет приоритетное требование; то есть статья говорит только, что такой-то сделал то-то и то-то, но статья в Википедии добавляет необоснованное утверждение, что они были первыми, кто это сделал.
Я только что удалил такого рода необоснованную экстраполяцию, в основном просто удалив приоритетное требование. Как вы думаете, лучше ли добавить {{ vn }} к этим статьям вместо этого? Я пока приостановил удаление таких требований, на случай, если то, что вы делаете, является лучшим способом справиться с этим.
Здравствуйте, J8079s. У вас есть новые сообщения на странице обсуждения Syncategoremata . Сообщение добавлено 17:24, 4 апреля 2010 (UTC). Вы можете удалить это уведомление в любое время, удалив шаблон {{Talkback}} или {{Tb}}.[ отвечать ]
Приглашение к обсуждению
Здравствуйте, вас приглашают принять участие в следующем обсуждении этой темы . Обсуждение касается общих способов улучшения Википедии с точки зрения проверяемости контента. С уважением, Gun Powder Ma ( обсуждение ) 20:49, 4 апреля 2010 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Извините за задержку, но я собирался поблагодарить вас за подписание заключительного резюме этого RfC/U. Я рад, что это уже позади, и надеюсь, что нам никогда больше не придется проходить через что-то подобное.
Здравствуйте, у меня есть некоторые опасения по поводу вашего недавнего изменения статьи о шариате.
Здравствуйте. Это сообщение отправляется, чтобы сообщить вам, что в настоящее время на Wikipedia:Administrators' classifiedboard/Incidents идет обсуждение проблемы, в которой вы могли быть замешаны. Спасибо.
Спасибо
Привет,
Спасибо, что нашли Шариат и национальное право в мусульманских странах . Извините, что я вас на днях отшил, я был полностью в реактивном режиме. Вы помогли мне сделать мою первую «большую» правку. Я помню, что вы мне сказали: будьте смелыми . Должно быть, это было несколько месяцев назад. Сейчас мне кажется, что прошло сто лет.
С уважением, Акиб ( обсуждение ) 02:48, 3 мая 2010 (UTC) [ ответить ]
аль-Хазиниигравитация
Я заметил, что вы только что отметили для проверки утверждения об аль-Хазини и гравитации в статье по физике Аристотеля . Утверждения там такие же, как и в той статье (включая глупый комментарий о гравитационной потенциальной энергии ). Чего он не удосуживается упомянуть, так это то, что Аристотель также считал, что вес тела меняется в зависимости от его расстояния от центра Земли, и что это было общим местом эллинистической и более поздней греческой философии: менялся ли вес с расстоянием? увеличивался ли он? уменьшался ли он? имеет ли объект какой-либо вес в своем естественном месте? Конечно, цитируемая статья не удосуживается упомянуть это (и читается так, как будто они даже не знают о прошлой истории вопроса), но я думаю, что утверждение следует либо удалить, либо тщательно контекстуализировать. Есть еще несколько проблем с этой конкретной главой источника (которые я не могу вспомнить навскидку), и она в моем списке для расследования. Просто она пока не совсем в верхней части этого списка. И я рад, что могу сказать: добро пожаловать обратно. Всего наилучшего. – Syncategoremata ( talk ) 22:19, 21 мая 2010 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Бану Муса
Привет. Да, я думаю, что я буду поститься. В попытке вернуть работу Jagged85 я начал удалять все эти предполагаемые изобретения. Но я думаю, что вы правы. Я снова их размещу, сказав, что это были описания более ранних механических устройств, известных еще с античности. Всего наилучшего-- Knight1993 ( обсуждение ) 17:23, 14 июня 2010 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Греко-арабский и т.д.
Привет,
Я высказался слишком резко. Есть несколько случаев использования дефисных терминов, которые вы упомянули, но (проверка Google scholar) академическое использование в подавляющем большинстве отдает предпочтение формам без дефиса:
"греко-исламская наука": Результаты 1 - 8 из 8
"греко-арабская наука": Результаты 1 - 10 из примерно 45
"арабская наука": Результаты 1 - 10 из примерно 2000
"исламская наука": Результаты 1 - 10 из примерно 3490
Вы правы, есть несколько хороших источников, которые используют этот термин, и они вылетели из моей памяти (момент старшинства). Тем не менее, это термин меньшинства, и я немного сверхчувствителен к тому, что Дэвид Пингри назвал эллинофилией в истории науки. -- Стив МакКласки ( обсуждение ) 20:59, 18 июня 2010 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Редактировать конфликт наДжабир ибн Хайян
Приношу извинения за то, что вступил в конфликт с вами в Jābir ibn Hayyān . По какой-то причине я не заметил, что вы только что внесли предыдущую правку: я позабочусь, чтобы в будущем прошло больше времени перед редактированием. Мое внимание привлек тег {{ Vn }}, который вы добавили, который как раз был о статье, которую я читал ранее на этой неделе. Это не очень хороший источник для этого заявления, и, вероятно, заявление следует просто удалить или перенести в новый исторический раздел в статье Equivalent (химия) , поскольку оно очень расплывчато. Всего наилучшего. – Syncategoremata ( talk ) 11:58, 19 июня 2010 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Пожалуйста, не ждите меня. Я действительно медлителен. Я думаю, нам нужен план и список дел. J8079s (обсуждение) 17:05, 19 июня 2010 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Неровная очистка
Я заметил ваши недавние правки в статье, которую я просматриваю. Отличная работа! Однако я хотел бы предложить вам попробовать разместить ссылку, скажем, на страницу обсуждения RFC хотя бы в одном из ваших резюме правок при очистке статьи. Возможно, добавьте " см. [[WT:Requests for comment/Jagged 85]] " к вашему резюме "неудачная проверка", чтобы оно читалось как " неудачная проверка, см. WT:Requests for comment/Jagged 85 ". Это может помочь, когда редакторы посмотрят историю статьи через неделю или через полгода: они увидят предысторию этого необычного случая. Johnuniq ( обсуждение ) 05:05, 20 июля 2010 (UTC) [ ответ ]
будет делать J8079s (обсуждение) 05:14, 20 июля 2010 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Привет, по поводу этой правки в Lens (optics) : можете ли вы объяснить или дать мне ссылку на место, где обсуждается конкретная проблема с этой ссылкой или утверждениями Jagged? Я беспокоюсь, что Альхазен достаточно важен, чтобы его, вероятно, нужно было упомянуть, но у меня недостаточно информации, чтобы сконструировать замену для текста, который вы удалили. В любом случае, ваша правка создала проблему: Альхазен и его книга снова упоминаются ниже в разделе. Поскольку вы удалили введение к этому материалу, последующее упоминание о них неясно.-- Srleffler ( talk ) 17:18, 20 июля 2010 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Удаление неподтвержденных источников кажется мне целесообразным; я внес редакционные изменения, чтобы прояснить упоминания Альхазена и его книги по оптике. -- Стив МакКласки ( обсуждение ) 13:22, 21 июля 2010 (UTC) [ ответ ]
Спасибо, Стив. Думаю, нам нужно краткое описание того, что не так с "Альхазеном" и "книгой оптики". Редактирование, о котором идет речь, типично для "Jagged", это искаженный хороший источник и оригинальная теория. J8079s (обсуждение) 00:35, 22 июля 2010 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Я не в курсе, поскольку просмотрел только комментарии RFC, а не доказательства, поэтому я просто укажу на этот возврат и скажу, что я быстро сделал WP:CHECKUSER , и я вполне уверен, что это просто случайный возврат, сделанный анонимом. Джон Ванденберг ( чат ) 08:09, 22 июля 2010 (UTC) [ ответить ]
Я заметил ваши последние правки (хорошо!), но вы использовали фигурные скобки ( {{...}}) в вашем резюме правок вместо квадратных скобок ( [[...]]). Кроме того, теперь есть более удобный способ. Краткое изложение правок должно включать " see [[WP:Jagged 85 cleanup]]"[ ответить ] (copy the text that you see between the quotes from this talk page). If you look at the history of this talk page you will see how it looks because I included it in my edit summary. Johnuniq (talk) 23:36, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the help J8079s (talk) 23:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again for your work with WP:Jagged 85 cleanup – some progress is finally being made. One point you may like to bear in mind if the situation arises again, is that WP:CWW says that when copying material from one page to another, we should use an edit summary that contains a link to the source (so the page history properly attributes authorship). Your edit (diff) at Science in medieval Islam might have had edit summary "copy text from User:SteveMcCluskey/SMI, see talk" (which contains a link to the source). I'm sure there is no problem, but I am mentioning this in case you were not aware, for the future. Johnuniq (talk) 03:04, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I did mention on the talk page that it was Steve's work to give him credit but I was unaware there was a policy. your summary would have been good too. again thanks for the help. J8079s (talk) 04:54, 4 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
FYI ANI re Islamic metaphysics
Hi, your name has not come up yet, but in case it does, I wanted you to be aware. thanks
Informational note: this is to let you know that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Regards, -Aquib (talk) 05:15, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The admins helped me see the article history. Are there any others I need to account for? Thanks -Aquib (talk) 13:22, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Invitation to comment on RFC regarding the stubbing (deletion) of the Mathematics in medieval Islam article
Jagged 85 RFC/U and cleanup has been appealed to ArbCom
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Jagged 85 cleanup: article stubbing
Hello. You are invited to take part in this vote concerning the clean-up effort in connectuion with Jagged 85's RFC/U. Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 11:40, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Record your cleanup
Hello. Could you please record your work progress at the newly created Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jagged 85/Top edits and, if you haven't done so yet, at Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Jagged 85/Cleanup#Cleanup lists. The first link lists the most frequently articles edited by Jagged 85 by number of edits, the latter by total number of bytes added by him. As you know, keeping track of the cleanup effort is paramount to avoid double work. Thanks and regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 01:34, 16 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you
Banū Mūsā
Hi. Saw on talk page you verified last year some entries, like a "lamp", by Jagged 85. Could you be so kind and restore them? Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 22:22, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Twinkle for certain reversions?
Hi, may I ask why you only use Twinkle for certain reversions? Thanks
I'm not sure what you mean. I prefer to use inline tags when I can. Should I use it more or not so much?
Jag
The Arab geographerMuhammad al-Idrisi produced his medieval atlas Tabula Rogeriana in 1154. He incorporated the knowledge of Africa, the Indian Ocean and the Far East, gathered by Arab merchants and explorers with the information inherited from the classical geographers to create the most accurate map of the world up until his time. It remained the most accurate world map for the next three centuries. S. P. Scott (1904), History of the Moorish Empire, pp. 461-2.
Just wondering if the above is cited properly from Cartography. I can't find the source, and it was added by Jagged85. Pass a Method talk 19:02, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"The noble and elevating pursuits of science were not neglected under the Moors of Sicily and their intelligent and progressive conquerors, the Norman princes. Geography, astronomy, chemistry, and medicine were studied with diligence and success. Edrisi, whose descent from the royal dynasty of Fez has been obscured by the eminent reputation he attained as a geographer and a philosopher, made for Roger II. a planisphere which represented at once the surface of the earth and the positions of the heavenly bodies."
Scott, Samuel Parsons (1904). History of the Moorish Empire in Europe. pp. 68–. Retrieved 27 May 2011.
There are several editions [1] (full view)
Unfortunately this raise more questions than it answers. I hope it helpsJ8079s (talk) 20:42, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Using sources over 100 years old is not best and as some times happens with the jagg stuff al-Irdisi is much more interesting than the edits make him appear this source Harley, J. B. (1992-06-01). The history of cartography: Cartography in the traditional islamic and south asian societies. Oxford University Press US. ISBN 9780226316352. Retrieved 27 May 2011. would be the one to use there is a preview at google books but most of his pages are redacted. J8079s (talk) 21:16, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Links for deletions from Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe
Hi, you made some deletions from the above article, which I broadly agree with, but you had said you were going to provide links showing where they were judged to be bad sources, which so far you haven't done. Do you know when you'll get a chance to do this? Thanks, --Merlinme (talk) 13:58, 10 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Canon of Medicine
Hi. I saw you only shortend the Jaggedized version after it was restored by some dubious user. Were you aware of this or should we revert to the stub again?
stub by me
rv by some dubious new user
shortened by you
Regards Gun Powder Ma (talk) 11:50, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Do what you think is best I'm stuck out of town with an Ipad. My version has some stuff that doesn't belong but try to leave an outline that others can fill in. J8079s (talk) 15:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm back home and hope to resume editing soon J8079s (talk) 20:38, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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A quick check shows Sufi psychology is a pretty common expression [2] for contemporary studies of Sufi. For context view see Dervish. There is always room for a content fork my advice is this looks like a good faith can of worms and either continue with your merge or tag it and move on. I am going to continue to work on adding perspective to Pre-scientific Psychology and some other areas. I joined Questia before I saw this WP:Questia. I am urging everyone to try it there's a free one day trail. Lots of good stuff. J8079s (talk) 17:13, 15 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Locke
I'm curious re [3] at Locke; that's you changing your mind about [4].
I have this, from Edward, by email:
Here is the SEP article http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/information which says
The idea of a tabula rasa development of the human mind was the topic of a novel Hayy ibn Yaqdhan by the Arabic Andalusian philosopher Ibn Tufail (1105–1185 CE, known as “Abubacer” or “Ebn Tophail” in the West). This novel describes the development of an isolated child on a deserted island. A later translation in Latin under the title Philosophus Autodidactus (1761) influenced the empiricist John Locke in the formulation of his tabula rasa doctrine.
I suspect this was sourced directly from the Wikipedia article (a) because of the similarity of the wording (b) Locke never used the term 'tabula rasa' (c) it postdates the Wikipedia article (d) the article uses Wikipedia as a source for other claims. Now Wikipedia can cite the SEP, of course.
But I can't say anything about claims that "Locke never used the term 'tabula rasa'", though. Perhaps you can? William M. Connolley (talk) 21:52, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I wish I'd left the delete.I was new then. As I recall sources say Locke probably read the book. On the subject; Tabulas were out of style by Locke's time he used the phrase "white paper" and possibly "empty cabinet", however no one writes about Some Thoughts Concerning Education with out using the the phrase. Earlier writers think we are born with innate knowledge of logic and use the phrase in a different sense.
[6] Boethius, Consolatio Philosophiae (I think hes against it)
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Aspasia the Physian
Do you have any evidence that the Aspasia who wrote the gynocological texts was from Physia? Or did you intend it to say "Aspasia the Physician"?
There should be no footnotes on disambiguation pages (Wikipedia:Disambiguation#References), the listed entry either points to an article about the subject, or to an article where the subject is discussed as part of a larger topic. Since nothing is recorded about Aspasia's life, it would seems that the appropriate target would be something like Gynaecology#History or a new history section at Obstetrics and gynaecology. Your references would be placed at the target article. Do you wish to make the changes, or shall I. --Bejnar (talk) 18:06, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Be bold and thank you J8079s (talk) 18:20, 16 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fernández-Morera and RS noticeboard
Though Fernández-Morera's article is thoroughly referenced and he has solid academic credentials, the place of publication is a problem. The journal lacks peer review and has a strong ideological slant. His having authored a paper entitled 'Islamic Warriors' Destruction of a Nascent Civilization' won't help in establishing his neutrality on Islamic culture in Spain. I would suggest taking a look at some of the citations in "The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise", which may follow a similar line of reasoning with a less controversial publication history.Dialectric (talk) 20:08, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks I WP:DGF It was just a drive by I don't even edit over there. The "myth" part is misleading its not about agenda based wiki editors. the subject is covered Cohen, Mark. 1995. Under Crescent and Cross: The Jews in the Middle Ages Princeton University Press. ISBN 0-691-01082-X and it's not really a controversy. I find the whole thing ironic as I am the one always pushing for "best sources". J8079s (talk) 02:05, 28 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
New source Crane, Lee. Jewish German Revolution. Pavilion Press. ISBN 9781414507378. Retrieved 30 September 2014. misleading title looks intresting. J8079s (talk) 04:24, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Why do you oppose a neutral point of view and reliable sources in the Second Amendment Article?
Please be specific. Are you saying the LIbrary of Congress, the New York Times, the Congressional Research Service and several direct quotations from court cases are untrustworthy sources? Or are you saying that a wikipedia article should not show both sides of a controversy? Or are you saying that a four-year old interpretation should be mentioned and the history beforehand should not be? Just saying something "does not belong there" does not consist of an argument. Please make one. Simply disliking fact is not an argument and will not dissuade me, nor will it convince arbiters in an arbitration. So please give me your best wikipedia argument for why you would not include relevant factual material backed up by reliable sources (including the same source used elsewhere in the article). You're the only editor other than North8000 that disagrees with the change. North8000 has conceded that he/she has no source whatsoever to back up his beliefs while I have the Library of Congress, the New York Times, and the Congressional Research Service backing me up. Do you have a contrary source? If you know of a case prior to 2000 that struck down a law under the Second Amendment or found that the prefatory militia clause is meaningless and there is an individual right to bear arms, by all means cite it. Do your research. And if/when you can't find one, I respectfully request you withdraw your objection.GreekParadise (talk) 04:23, 22 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
you are way out of line your NYT sources are not WP:RS [7] as with any questionable source if the info is verifiable you will find it elsewhere. Your edit here [8] indicates that you know this. Please remember WP:NPOV esp.[9] and you are responsible for balancing your own edits. You are using Library of Congress and Congressional Research Service to support the NYT editorial there is no place in WP for editorials except as sources for themselves. 67 amicus briefs were filed [10] the findings [11] It is not clear to me what page "the debate" belongs on but hers a source Doherty, Brian (2008). Gun Control on Trial: Inside the Supreme Court Battle Over the Second Amendment. Cato Institute. ISBN 9781933995250. Retrieved 24 February 2013. J8079s (talk) 23:41, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The NYT front-page article from their Supreme Court reporter -- who is also cited in this same article re the McDonald case without dispute by you-- is not an op-ed by any definition. The Cato Institute, however, is clear POV and has no more place in this article than would be a citation from the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.GreekParadise (talk) 17:42, 7 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Second Amendment Collective-Rights History pre-Heller
Please review prior to editing or commenting further on the Second Amendment. I have posted it on the Talk Page as well, but I'm reaching out to you and all other editors personally because I sincerely believe when you review the evidence and when you search for contrary evidence, you will see I am correct about this history. I'm not claiming you personally had any statement about this, but I wanted to post the identical thing on every editors' talk page so please do not take it personally. "You" refers to anyone who disputes the reliable sources I have posted below.
The law WAS collective only prior to Heller. If I show you 3 cases and several commentaries by irrefutably accurate sources and you cannot show me a single case from 1939 to 2000 to refute it, you have to accept that history is history.
In 1977 at a Denver hotel, Don Kates paced a conference room lecturing a small group of young scholars about the Second Amendment and tossing out ideas for law review articles. Back then, it was a pretty weird activity in pursuit of a wacky notion: that the Constitution confers an individual right to possess a firearm.
“This idea for a very long time was just laughed at,” said Nelson Lund, the Patrick Henry professor of constitutional law and the Second Amendment at George Mason University, a chair endowed by the National Rifle Association. “A lot of people thought it was preposterous and just propaganda from gun nuts.”
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The Second Amendment states: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” Before the Heller decision, the Supreme Court and lower courts had interpreted the language as “preserving the authority of the states to maintain militias,” according to a Congressional Research Service analysis.
“It was a settled question, and the overwhelming consensus, bordering on unanimity, was that the Second Amendment granted a collective right” enjoyed by the states, not individuals, Bogus said. Under this interpretation, the Constitution provides no right for an individual to possess a firearm.
Lund [Remember he's the NRA-endowed Second-Amendment professor!] agreed that there was a consensus but said it was “based on ignorance.”
OK, you don't trust the Congressional Research Service, the Library of Congress, the New York Times, the Washington Post, or the National Rifle Association-endowed professor of constitutional law and the Second Amendment? How about trusting the courts themselves? Just read these three:
- Cases v. United States, 131 F.2d 916 (1st Cir. 1942)
- United States v. Warin, 530 F.2d 103, 106 (6th Cir. 1976) (“[i]t is clear
that the Second Amendment guarantees a collective rather than an individual right.”)
- Love v. Peppersack, 47 F.3d 120, 123 (4th Cir. 1995) (“the lower federal courts
have uniformly held that the Second Amendment preserves a collective, rather than
individual right.”)
All of them cited Miller. All of them were the law of the land. There's not a single case in all of American history in any court state or federal that found an individual right to bear arms absent service in a militia and struck down a gun law as unconstitutional prior to 2000. I will pay $100 to anyone who can find any case that says so.
Furthermore, there is not a single President prior to 2000 that stated he believed the Supreme Court conferred an individual right to bear arms under the Second Amendment absent service in a militia. Even Reagan didn't believe it. I will pay $100 to anyone who can find any President that stated this position prior to 2000.
Truth is truth. If you don't like truth, you should not be editing wikipedia. Many editors here, I know you believe otherwise. But whoever told you a lie was true was mistaken. Read my sources. Then look for reliable sources on your own. When you can't find any (and if you do, I'll give you $100), I would respectfully request that all of you withdraw your objections. If you don't, then you are clear POV-pushers and should not be editing wikipedia.
Otherwise, if the only way to remove unreliable sources in wikipedia is to put up a request for comment and/or mediation, let's do it. I'll bet my reliable sources against all of your absence of sources any day. There is nothing wrong with admitting you are wrong. People are trying to revise history and some people fall prey to it. Maybe you read something on the Internet from some ignorant blogger and believed it to be true. I respectfully request you look at the sources and come to the only accurate conclusion.
My history is backed up by EVERY judicial decision and EVERY President prior to 2000 and the Library of Congress, and the Congressional Research Service, and the NRA-endowed Professor of the Second Amendment, not to mention the NYT and the WP. And the contrary position is backed up by some sincere mistaken beliefs AND NOT A SINGLE SOURCE.
An honest and ethical wikipedia editor cannot look truth in the face and declare it untrue without a single reliable source to back it up. I will post this on the talk page of every editor who has edited or commented recently because I sincerely want all of you to review the sources before further editing or commenting.
Further sources:
http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL34446_20080411.pdf (Congressional Research Service)
http://www.loc.gov/law/help/second-amendment.php (Library of Congress)
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/us/06firearms.html (New York Times)
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