Could someone translate this page into Welsh?
The section on Karaite Synagogues only has a picture. If it is not expanded with text, I suggest we remove the section, and just leave the picture interspersed with the others. I've marked it as "expansion necessary." -- Avi 16:00, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, some people say although they removed the TORAH, it also means that they new a lot about it! In others they say they do not need. It me seem horrible to us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.34.16 (talk) 23:41, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Okay, what is going on here. First of all, let me disperse some of this ignorance with basic facts - Jews are called Jews because in the babylonian exile we lost our tribal caste system, with judah being the largest population in exile and the levites + kohanim always being seperate, they were the only two tribal identities preserved post-exile. After this, all Israelites/Hebrews of the southern kingdom became known as Judean, from the tribal identifier Judah, or Jews. So - knowing this - any person of ancient Israelite/Hebrew descent that came from the southern kingdom can be identified as a Jew. The Teimani and Beta Israel have the oral traditions of coming from Benjamin and Judah, and so are Jews. The Karaites have the tradition as well and are, as such, Jews. The Samaritans, however, have the tradition of coming from Ephraim and Manasseh, and as such are not Jews, as they are not Judean. Make sense?
Secondly, Karaites did not remove the Torah. They did not remove the Kethuvim or Nevi'im, either. They refuse to acknowledge the Talmud/Gemara/Mishneh as authoritative sources because they do not believe Rabbinic authority can exist over the words directly stated in Torah. As such, they do things as literally and directly described in Torah without the Rabbinic additions. Any thought of Karaites being restricted or barred from having representation in any Jewish space is antisemitic and has no place in Jewish study. Cakiva (talk) 08:57, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
According to the Online Eymology Dictionary: c.1175, from O.Fr. sinagoge (11c.), from L.L. synagoga "congregation of Jews," from Gk. synagoge "place of assembly, synagogue," lit. "meeting, assembly," from synagein "to gather, assemble," from syn- "together" + agein "bring, lead." Used by Gk. translators of the Old Testament as a loan-translation of late Heb. keneseth "assembly" (cf. beth keneseth "synagogue," lit. "house of assembly.") [1] Jayjg | (Talk) 16:54, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make whatever changes you feel are needed. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in! (Although there are some reasons why you might like to…) The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. Jayjg (talk) 16:43, 27 September 2005 (UTC) Well, why exactly are we talking about parentheses! This is history! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.34.16 (talk) 23:45, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Why is Britannica's 1911 article being included in this article? Jayjg | (Talk) 02:27, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
If you don't know the Greek, don't put ?????? in the article. It makes it look cluttered. JFW | T@lk 14:00, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Paws for history- I get your frustation! I know Greek, I will write some! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.34.16 (talk) 23:48, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
The Spanish & Portuguese synagogue in Amsterdam is known as the Esnoga. Should a disambiguation page for the term "Esnoga" be created? and a page for the Amterdam Synagogue created? (right now "Esnoga" just redirects to the "Synagogue" page). -- Cardozo
Paws for history: This is a great subject, start writing ASAP! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.74.34.16 (talk) 23:47, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I changed the text that read "the small ruined synagogue at Masada is believed to be the world's oldest, and the only one known to date from the time of the Second Temple." This is untrue, as many synagogues have been found which predate the one at Masada, but that is the only one discussed by Josephus (to my knowledge) and so the best known. I think thre were others at Herodium and Gamla which date from the second temple period, but I am not sure. Also, is possible that those of Ostia, Dura Europus, and Stobi date from this period, but not certain. The lesbian 21:30, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
the term Esnoga is mentioned in Zohar. From Hebrew "Esh Nogah" meaning "fire of splendor" (see Ezechiel) hence the term "synagogue" Moshe 08:07 04 Nov 2005
The name has no connection to "oldnew" In hebrew "Al tneye" means"on condition". The synagogue was dedicated on condition, that it be a study-hall. So it will have less restrictions than a prayer-hall.Moshe 08:14 04 Nov 2005
I have actually heard of this version, but I think it does not need to be elaborated on this page but on the Altneushul's own page. JFW | T@lk 08:12, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
The article says, "According to tradition, the Divine Presence can be found wherever there is a minyan (a quorum of ten—in Orthodox Judaism, defined as ten Jewish men aged 13 or over)." I'm not sure I like this wording, as it suggests the Divine Presence isn't there if there isn't a minyan. But the Mishnah Pirkei Avot 3:3[2] says "But when two sit together and words of Torah pass between them, the Divine Presence rests." And the Divine Presence is often referred to as Makom, meaning Omnipresent. It's my understanding that minyan is required to recite certain prayers, but is not required for the Divine Presence to be found. The minyan article quotes Maimonides that the Divine Presence is more likely to listen to a prayer from a community, but doesn't say the Divine Presence isn't there if there is no minyan.
Does anyone know more about this than me? Ferret-aaron 16:09, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
I am leaving a complaint about "oka is so smart", the whole article is gone and this sentence is left throughout the article instead. I came to learn about synagogues not to know that some oka is smart! Restore the article.
I identify the areas in which this article needs expansion as:
I heard that a new synagogue was inaugurated, maybe in Costa Rica, which is presently the greatest synagogue of the world. It is an orthodox synagogue. I haven't found more data about it in Google. I wonder if anyone knows or can find more about it. Adam78 02:50, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
Where do you get the information about Bevis Marks being the oldest continuously functioning synagogue in the world? Amsterdam is older (or is the point that it did not function during the second world war?); and what about the synagogues in Venice? -- Sir Myles na Gopaleen (the da) 14:09, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Plz remove the edit option.
How come there is no list, as there is a List of churches and List of mosques? IP Address 14:53, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me that the section on the Budapest Synagogue, added on May 31, 2006 would be better off in a seperate article. The level of detail on this one synagogue does not belong in the general article.
The section "Traditional and Orthodox synagogues" has all its items bulleted, but I do not see the bullet for the first one of the list (the Ark). Is the picture interfering somehow? Is it just my browswer, or do others see this too? Please fix! Thanx --Keeves 11:32, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I think the Budapest Synagogue section is long enough to get spun off as a separate article. Anyone agree or disagree? (Also, if we decide to do it, is there are way to keep its history intact, rather than just looking like a brand new article?) --Keeves 23:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Just what I thought, reading the article :) --Serinde 15:14, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
A section on "Messianic synagogues" was added today. I'd love to delete it on the grounds that Messianic Judaism is not a form of Judaism but of Christianity, but it is clear from that article that their members would disagree. So here's my question: Has an official Wikipedia policy been formed on this? Have there been precendents set that we can cite? For example, has someone tried to add a section about Messianic practices to the Passover article? Can anyone offer suggestions? --Keeves 01:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Articles that compare views need not give minority views as much or as detailed a description as more popular views, and may not include tiny-minority views at all (by example, the article on the Earth only very briefly refers to the Flat Earth theory, a view of a distinct minority).
If a viewpoint is held by an extremely small (or vastly limited) minority, it does not belong in Wikipedia (except perhaps in some ancillary article) regardless of whether it is true or not; and regardless of whether you can prove it or not. In other words, views held only by a tiny minority of people should not be represented as though they are significant minority views, and perhaps should not be represented at all.
I will re-list the Messianic Synogogues for the time being and attach a Note that says the validity of this section of the article being displayed is under debate, until we have it solved whether or not it belongs. Messianic Judaism is Torah-based religion and has a majority of ethnically Jewish practitioners, thus there is no reason to have it removed (at least, not without a conclusive debate). With over 200 synagogues, the movement is just too big to treat as if it were non-existant. Thank you.
Also, before my edits Reconstructionist Judaism synagogues only had one sentence! I expanded it to a paragraph, so hopefully that can even begin to give readers an idea.
Tell me why you reverse my edits before actually doing it, and that includes any other Joe as much as it includes PinchasC. That will let me AT LEAST know that that you know what I changed before removing it. Of course, you'll probably never respond to this message, because that may require actually changing your mind about something.
Zorkfan 00:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
When and if an article on Messianic synagogues is created, the edit Keeves suggested up should suffice. To expand on what Humus mentioned, there's no reason we would put a statement like "the list below doesn't include Baptist Churches" either. And you threw in Jewish Renewal, but since it's more of a movement that isn't even always separate from the mainline denominations it doesn't make sense to say "the synagogues below don't include Jewish Renewal". --MPerel ( talk | contrib) 01:42, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Since Hebrew is an ancient language, I'm guessing as old as if not older than Greek, why use a greek word and not a hebrew one? I've always wondered that and was hoping to find a paragraph in this article explaining how a greek word was adopted. Does it have anything to do with the large population of Jews in Alexandria where Greek was the predominant language? --Kimonandreou 13:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I am questioning this blanking. The edit summary says: "Wikipedia is not an image gallery with no text to accompany them; upload your pictures to Wikimedia Commons)". Why was this done without any discussion? What's wrong with illustrating history and architecture of famous synagogues, including "text to accompany"? Compare with Moscow and many other articles that have image galleries. ←Humus sapiens ну? 01:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
I am questioning the statement that Washington ended the war in 1787 at this site. The war ended in 1783. Washington took the surrender of British forces in Yorktown in 1781. Mfletcher1 03:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
On what grounds is חבורה transliterated chabura instead of chavura? I've never heard the former pronunciation, nor can I think of any grammatical justification for it. Flourdustedhazzn 18:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
"Habura" is the common Sephardic transliteration. Thus, it is not a mistake. Pokey54 (talk) 14:43, 28 February 2017 (UTC)Pokey54
I have replaced this section.
Synagogues are not replicas of the temple or tabernacle. There is no source for this and it does not happen in practice. It is a myth. 85.64.200.41 05:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Why there is not in the article any spanish synagogue? Samuel ha Levi's synagogue was built in 1356; synagogue of Santa María la Blanca was built in 1180 and modified in XIII century; Cordoba's synagogue was built in 1315. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.128.20.23 (talk) 07:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
The lead describes a minyan as simply "ten jews". I know the subtleties are covered in the article for minyan, but based on what I read there, is this a case of oversimplifying something to the point where it's a bit misleading? How about something like:
"Jewish worshop can take place anywhere, although a 'minyan' of ten Jews (traditionally but not always adult men) is required for some rituals."
Not a big change, but maybe the extra words convey both the subtlety and the fact that there isn't consensus between different schools? Your call. Señor Service (talk) 20:21, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps the Plum Street Temple in Cincinnati would be a good addition to the Reform Synagogue section. It is both a very historical and beautiful Synagogue. Maybe just a picture would do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.63.175.188 (talk) 17:31, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I just did a major clean-up of the page, which suffers from the impulse to clutter usually caused by those adding true but trial=vial facts, or disquisitions on some aspect of synagogue life such as detailed explications of customs of chasidim, reform, Sephardim, etc. , or material about theology, development of the reform movement, etc., which would be better added to articles on specific topics that can be linked here.
What are the weekly services called? What's the Jewish equivalent of "going to mass"? --Thomas B♘talk 06:48, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
That phrasing appears in the article three times. Varlaam (talk) 05:21, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
A Jewish synagogue? Are you sure it isn’t a Catholic synagogue? Fried Pork Dumplings (talk) 23:06, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
I erased the following from the lead: [Synagogues have a large hall for prayer (the main sanctuary)] "called "Hekhal" from which is derived the term 'Hykala'. Beyond this is the D'bhir or holy of holies (from which is derived the term "M'dbha")" attributed to Stinespring W. F. (1962) 'Temple, Jerusalem' in 'The interpreters Dictionary of the Bible' vol 4 p 536. For one, this distinction is unclear. It seems to claim these are two separate rooms, which they are not. Actually the sanctuary has an Ark which is a sort of cabinet, not a room. Second, this sentence was unsuited to the lead (what is a Hykala or a M'dbha?).Third, the body of the article (->Interior Elements) was much better and more accurate on this point and quite sufficient. Yabti (talk) 15:25, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
I see "shul" listed as Hebrew. The only etymologies I've been able to find are that it's Yiddish, not Hebrew. Any source for it being Hebrew? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8000:1434:E00:4DD3:41C0:4A5E:A94C (talk) 22:55, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
I want my religion pasted all over Wikipedia. How do I do that if I'm not a jew? It seems impossible, since judaism seems to have special status on this site. I don't see special badges for Catholics or ... Why not? Are we not entitled to badges? This is very biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.39.86 (talk) 18:47, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
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I wanted to inform you all that I am preparing to edit the Origins section to include a bit on the origins of synagogues specifically in Roman Palestine. I am going to be using the text Revolt and Reformation, written by Schiffman, to discuss how the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 C.E. prompted the emergence of synagogues. If anyone has anything they want to share, contribute or discuss, please let me know on this talk page. DanaBerk (talk) 05:40, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
DanaBerk, your source is unclear. Who is "Schiffman" and what is the title "Revolt and Reformation"? Double check that info. Other than that the content sounds promising. Chapmansh (talk) 00:06, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
The source for Second temple synagogues was Donald Binder. Someone marked it as [unreliable?]. I don't really have an opinion, but I wanted to share what I found from a quick search. This is his Amazon bio:
DONALD D. BINDER is Rector of Historic Pohick Church, colonial parish of George Washington and George Mason, near Mt. Vernon, Virginia. He holds a Ph.D. in New Testament studies from SMU (1997) and has written extensively on the topic of Second Temple period synagogues, the subject of his published doctoral dissertation, 'Into the Temple Courts: The Place of the Synagogues in the Second Temple Period' (SBLDS, 1999), and the reference volume, 'The Ancient Synagogue from Its Origins to 200 C.E.: A Source Book' (Brill, 2008), co-authored with Anders Runesson and Birger Olsson.
So he has a PHD at Southern Methodist University. He appears to be doing some very original research. This guy also cowrote a book with him: http://www.andersrunesson.com/ Again, very original stuff. I think the skepticism is whether he is academic or theological. I wouldn't like to see the paragraph go away, but stay, either with or without the unreliable tag. 64.223.91.219 (talk) 02:37, 10 October 2017 (UTC)John Dee
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"During the Babylonian captivity (586–537 BCE) the men of the Great Assembly formalized and standardized the language of the Jewish prayers."
Right now, this paragraph is useless rubbish. Arminden (talk) 05:56, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
This may seem a bit trivial, but if the Delos Synagogue is a Samaritan one surely it should not be listed in the list of 'oldest synagogues' as Samritanism is clearly not Judaism - just as Messianic Judaism isn't Judaism, but it is a related religion sharing many features.--Grammarbishop8 (talk) 12:31, 23 July 2012 (UTC) Nah... forget what I said. --Grammarbishop8 (talk) 13:55, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
So here's something to consider in this argument. Judaism holds core foundations that are represented in traditional practice and religious doctrine - the Tanakh. In order to be considered a Jew, someone needs to be part of any of the major streams of cultural and religious tradition that is descended from the ancient ethnic and cultural kingdom of Judea. A core aspect of this belief is a total rejection of idolatry, as outlined in Leviticus (I am using english terms to make it easier for everyone to understand), and that one should not try to convert an idolater, or preserve the towns of idolaters, and to attack and shun them whenever possible. Obviously, worship in G-d through a human representation (a physical representation) is idolatry in the eyes of any stream of Judaism, and would traditionally eject the Messianics from being represented as Jews. For the argument that they are 'mostly ethnic Jews', it has been found that they are roughly half, or less, ethnically Jewish as they seek converts and take in a lot of Christians.[1] In addition to this, they adopt Christian doctrine, documents, Christian belief systems and interpretations, reference other Christian leaders as well as Jewish Rabbis, etc. As such, they cannot claim to be Jews. This article is about Jewish synagogues, which was decided when the page was put under the Judaism portal. A synagogue is defined only as a place of meeting. The only reason of why a Synagogue is different from a Church in any other faith is that it is Jewish. Even if under a different name, such as Temple, it is still considered a Synagogue and not an entirely new place of worship because it is still Jewish. My argument is this: considering everything I've said, it would make the most sense to put Messianic 'Synagogues' under a page about Christian places of worship, as no stream of Judaism or ethnic descendents of ancient Israel have adopted Messianics as being true Jews, it has no place in a Jewish portal and would not need its own seperate page because it is more in line with Christian belief. Please, give me your thoughts on thisCakiva (talk) 09:36, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
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