Википедия:Перенаправления для обсуждения

Discussion venue for potentially problematic redirects

Redirects for discussion ( RfD ) — это место, где обсуждаются потенциально проблемные редиректы . Элементы обычно остаются в списке около недели, после чего их удаляют, сохраняют или перенаправляют.

• Если вы хотите заменить незащищенный редирект статьей, не перечисляйте его здесь. Превращение редиректов в статьи полностью поощряется. Будьте смелее !
• Если вы хотите переместить страницу, но перенаправление мешает, не указывайте его здесь. Для неспорных случаев разместите технический запрос ; если требуется обсуждение, то начните запрошенный перенос .
• Если вы считаете, что перенаправление указывает на неправильную целевую статью, это хорошее место для обсуждения правильной цели.
• Перенаправления не следует удалять только потому, что у них нет входящих ссылок. Пожалуйста, не используйте это как единственную причину для удаления перенаправления. Однако перенаправления, у которых есть входящие ссылки, иногда удаляются, поэтому это не является достаточным условием для сохранения. (См. § Когда следует удалять перенаправление? для получения дополнительной информации.)

Пожалуйста, не переименовывайте и не меняйте цель перенаправления в одностороннем порядке, пока оно находится в стадии обсуждения. Это добавляет ненужных сложностей в обсуждение для участников и закрывающих.

Перед тем как перечислить перенаправление для обсуждения

Пожалуйста, ознакомьтесь с этими общими правилами, которые применяются здесь, как и в других местах:

• Wikipedia:Redirect  – что такое редиректы, почему они существуют и как они используются.
• Википедия:Критерии быстрого удаления  – какие страницы можно удалить без обсуждения; в частности, разделы « Общие » и « Перенаправления ».
• Википедия:Политика удаления  – как мы удаляем вещи по общему согласию.
• Википедия:Руководство по удалению  — рекомендации по формату обсуждения и стенографии.

Руководящие принципы RfD

Ярлык

• WP:RGUIDE

• Цель хорошего редиректа — исключить возможность того, что читатели будут тупо смотреть на «Результаты поиска 1–10 из 378» вместо статьи, которую они искали. Если кто-то может правдоподобно ввести имя редиректа при поиске целевой статьи, это хороший редирект.
• Перенаправления дешевы . Они занимают мало места на диске и используют очень мало пропускной способности. Это не повредит, если их несколько, разбросанных повсюду. С другой стороны, удаление перенаправлений также дешево, потому что запись удаления занимает мало места на диске и использует очень мало пропускной способности. Нет ничего плохого в удалении проблемных перенаправлений.
• Если добросовестная номинация RfD предлагает удалить перенаправление и не обсуждается в течение как минимум 7 дней, результатом по умолчанию является удаление .
• Перенаправления, нарушающие Wikipedia:Redirect, будут быстро удалены .
• RfD также может служить центральным форумом для обсуждения того, на какую страницу следует нацеливать перенаправление. В случаях, когда перенаправление перенаправления может считаться спорным, целесообразно оставить уведомление на странице обсуждения текущей целевой страницы перенаправления или предлагаемой целевой страницы, чтобы направить читателей к номинации перенаправления, чтобы разрешить внесение информации и помочь сформировать консенсус относительно цели перенаправления.
• Запросы на удаление перенаправлений с одной страницы обсуждения на другую не обязательно перечислять здесь. Любой может удалить перенаправление, очистив страницу. Критерий G6 для быстрого удаления может быть подходящим.
• В ходе обсуждений всегда спрашивайте себя, будет ли перенаправление полезным для читателя.

Когда следует удалять перенаправление?

Ярлыки

• WP:RFD#ВРЕДНЫЙ
• ВП:РФД?

Основные причины, по которым удаление перенаправлений вредно :

• перенаправление может содержать нетривиальную историю правок;
• Если перенаправление достаточно старое (или является результатом перемещения страницы, которая находилась там уже довольно долго), то вполне возможно, что его удаление приведет к нарушению входящих ссылок (такие ссылки, поступающие из старых версий страниц Википедии, из сводок правок, из других проектов Викимедиа или из других мест в Интернете , не отображаются в разделе «Что здесь ссылается» ).

Поэтому рассмотрите возможность удаления только вредоносных перенаправлений или недавних.

Причины удаления

Ярлык

• WP:RFD#УДАЛИТЬ

Вы можете захотеть удалить перенаправление, если выполняется одно или несколько из следующих условий ( но обратите внимание также на исключения, перечисленные ниже в этом списке ):

1. Страница перенаправления неоправданно затрудняет для пользователей поиск статей с похожими названиями через поисковую систему. Например, если пользователь ищет «Новые статьи» и перенаправляется на страницу устранения неоднозначности для «Статьи», ему потребуется гораздо больше времени, чтобы добраться до недавно добавленных статей в Википедии.
2. Перенаправление может вызвать путаницу. Например, если "Адам Б. Смит" был перенаправлен на "Эндрю Б. Смит", потому что Эндрю случайно назвали Адамом в одном источнике, это может вызвать путаницу со статьей об Адаме Смите , поэтому перенаправление следует удалить.
3. Перенаправление является оскорбительным или злоупотребительным, например, перенаправление «Джо Блоггс — неудачник» на «Джо Блоггс» (если только «Джо Блоггс — неудачник» не обсуждается в статье обоснованно) или «Джо Блоггс» на «Лузер». ( Могут применяться критерии быстрого удаления G10 и G3 .) См. также § Нейтральность перенаправлений.
4. Перенаправление представляет собой саморекламу или спам. ( Может применяться критерий быстрого удаления G11 .)
5. Перенаправление не имеет смысла, например, перенаправление «Apple» на «Orange». ( Может применяться критерий быстрого удаления G1 .)
6. Это перенаправление между пространствами имен из пространства статьи, например, указывающее на пространство имен User или Wikipedia. Главным исключением из этого правила являются перенаправления сокращений псевдопространства имен , которые технически находятся в основном пространстве статьи. Некоторые давние перенаправления между пространствами имен также сохраняются из-за их давней истории и потенциальной полезности. Например, перенаправления " MOS: " были исключением из этого правила, пока они не стали собственным пространством имен в 2024 году. (Обратите внимание также на существование псевдонимов пространств имен, таких как WP: . Критерий быстрого удаления R2 может применяться, если целевое пространство имен отличается от Category: , Template: , Wikipedia: , Help : или Portal: .)
7. Если перенаправление сломано, то есть перенаправляет на статью, которая не существует, его можно немедленно удалить в соответствии с критерием быстрого удаления G8 . Вам следует проверить, нет ли альтернативного места, куда его можно было бы перенаправить в первую очередь, и что оно не было сломано в результате вандализма.
8. Если перенаправление является новым или очень неясным синонимом названия статьи, которое не упоминается в цели, оно вряд ли будет полезным. В частности, перенаправления на языке, отличном от английского , на страницу, тема которой не связана с этим языком (или культурой, говорящей на этом языке), как правило, не должны создаваться. (Неправдоподобные опечатки или неправильные названия являются кандидатами на критерий быстрого удаления R3 , если они были созданы недавно.)
9. Если целевую статью необходимо переместить в заголовок перенаправления, но перенаправление уже редактировалось и имеет свою историю, то заголовок необходимо освободить, чтобы освободить место для перемещения. Если перемещение не вызывает споров, пометьте перенаправление для быстрого удаления G6 или, в качестве альтернативы (с suppressredirectправами пользователя; доступно для перемещения страниц и администраторов), выполните круговое перемещение . Если нет, переместите статью в Запрошенные перемещения .
10. Ярлык

    • WP:ВОЗВРАЩЕНО
    Если перенаправление можно было бы расширить до статьи, а целевая статья практически не содержит информации по теме.

Причины не удаления

Ярлык

• WP:RFD#СОХРАНИТЬ

Однако избегайте удаления таких перенаправлений, если:

1. У них есть потенциально полезная история страницы или история правок, которая должна быть сохранена для соответствия требованиям лицензирования для слияния (см. Wikipedia:Объединение и удаление ). С другой стороны, если перенаправление было создано путем переименования страницы с таким именем, а история страницы просто упоминает переименование, и по одной из причин выше вы хотите удалить страницу, скопируйте историю страницы на страницу обсуждения статьи, на которую она перенаправляет. Акт переименования является полезной историей страницы, и тем более, если было обсуждение имени страницы.
2. Они будут способствовать случайному связыванию и сделают создание дубликатов статей менее вероятным, будь то путем перенаправления множественного числа на единственное, путем перенаправления частого неправильного написания на правильное написание, путем перенаправления неправильного названия на правильный термин, путем перенаправления на синоним и т. д. Другими словами, перенаправления без входящих ссылок не являются кандидатами на удаление по этим причинам , поскольку они приносят пользу просматривающему пользователю. Редакторам потребуется определенная дополнительная бдительность, чтобы свести к минимуму возникновение этих частых опечаток в тексте статьи, поскольку связанные опечатки не будут отображаться как неработающие ссылки; рассмотрите возможность пометки перенаправления шаблоном {{ R from misspelling }}, чтобы помочь редакторам отслеживать эти опечатки.
3. Они помогают в поиске по определенным терминам. Например, пользователи, которые могут где-то увидеть упоминание " Keystone State ", но не знают, к чему это относится, смогут найти его в статье о Пенсильвании (цель).
4. Удаление перенаправлений несет риск поломки входящих или внутренних ссылок. Например, перенаправления, возникающие в результате перемещения страниц, обычно не следует удалять без веской причины. Ссылки, которые существовали в течение значительного периода времени, включая ссылки CamelCase (например, WolVes ) и старые ссылки на подстраницы , следует оставить в покое на случай, если на них есть какие-либо существующие ссылки на внешних страницах. См. также Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites .
5. Кто-то считает их полезными. Подсказка: если кто-то говорит, что считает перенаправление полезным, то, скорее всего, так оно и есть. Вы можете не найти его полезным — это не потому, что другой человек лжет, а потому, что вы просматриваете Википедию по-другому. Доказательства использования можно оценить, используя wikishark или инструмент просмотра страниц на перенаправлении, чтобы увидеть количество просмотров, которые оно получает.
6. Перенаправление осуществляется на тесно связанную форму слова, например, из множественного числа в единственное .

Нейтральность перенаправлений

Ярлык

• WP:RНЕЙТРАЛЬНЫЙ

Так же, как в некоторых обстоятельствах разрешены названия статей, использующие ненейтральный язык , так же разрешены и такие перенаправления. Поскольку перенаправления менее заметны для читателей, в их названиях допускается больше свободы, поэтому предполагаемое отсутствие нейтральности в названиях перенаправлений не является достаточной причиной для их удаления. В большинстве случаев ненейтральные, но проверяемые перенаправления должны указывать на нейтрально озаглавленные статьи о теме термина. Ненейтральные перенаправления могут быть помечены тегом .{{R from non-neutral name}}

Ненейтральные перенаправления обычно создаются по трем причинам:

1. Статьи, созданные с использованием ненейтральных заголовков, обычно перемещаются в новый нейтральный заголовок, который оставляет старый ненейтральный заголовок в качестве рабочего перенаправления (например, Climategate → Электронная переписка Климатического исследовательского подразделения ).
2. Статьи, созданные как форки POV, могут быть удалены и заменены перенаправлением, указывающим на статью, из которой произошел форк (например, мусульманские слухи о Бараке Обаме → удалены и теперь перенаправлены на религиозные теории заговора о Бараке Обаме ).
3. Тематика статей может быть представлена ​​некоторыми источниками за пределами Википедии в ненейтральных терминах. Такие термины, как правило, избегаются в заголовках статей Википедии, в соответствии с рекомендациями по избеганию слов и общей политикой нейтральной точки зрения . Например, ненейтральное выражение « Attorneygate » используется для перенаправления на нейтрально озаглавленную статью Dismissal of US attorneys controversy . Статья, о которой идет речь, никогда не использовала этот заголовок, но перенаправление было создано для предоставления альтернативного способа ее достижения, поскольку в ряде сообщений прессы используется этот термин.

Исключениями из этого правила будут перенаправления, которые не являются устоявшимися терминами и вряд ли будут полезны, и поэтому могут быть номинированы на удаление, возможно, по причине удаления № 3. Однако, если перенаправление представляет собой устоявшийся термин, который используется в нескольких основных надежных источниках , его следует сохранить, даже если он не является нейтральным, поскольку это облегчит поиск по таким терминам. Пожалуйста, имейте в виду, что RfD не является местом для разрешения большинства редакционных споров.

Заключительные замечания

Подробности в инструкциях администратора для RfD

Согласно политике, номинации должны оставаться открытыми примерно в течение недели до их закрытия, если только они не соответствуют общим критериям быстрого удаления , критериям быстрого удаления перенаправления или не являются допустимыми запросами на обсуждение перенаправления (например, фактически являются запросами на перемещение ).

Как составить список перенаправлений для обсуждения

Ярлык

• WP:RFDHOWTO

• Пожалуйста, рассмотрите возможность использования What links here для поиска других перенаправлений, которые могут быть связаны с тем, который вы назначаете. После перехода на целевую страницу перенаправления и выбора "What links here" на панели инструментов в левой части экрана компьютера выберите фильтры "Hide transclusions" и "Hide links", чтобы отобразить перенаправления на целевую страницу перенаправления.

Текущий список

Ярлыки

• WP:RFD#ТЕКУЩИЙ
• WP:RFDCD
• WP:RFDCL

11 ноября

Авиакомпания Paradise

• Paradise Airlines → Рейс 901A авиакомпании Paradise Airlines (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Redirect, по-видимому, был создан в попытке удалить красную ссылку на статью об авиакомпании, которая была в статье Paradise Airlines Flight 901A . Помимо того, что компания была известна своими действиями, приведшими к этому инциденту с авиакомпанией, она также получила широкую огласку в своих предыдущих сражениях с FAA, поскольку пыталась доказать, что как внутригосударственная авиакомпания она не подлежит регулированию со стороны FAA. Она проиграла, и после этой аварии она снова попыталась привести те же аргументы и снова проиграла. Статья об аварии кратко упоминает ее сражения с FAA, но полная статья о компании более подробно рассказала бы о ее предыдущих операциях и нормативных сражениях. Статья о компании была бы желанным дополнением к Википедии, но в краткосрочной перспективе она не входит в мои планы, поэтому красная ссылка служит приглашением для того, кто склонен взяться за эту задачу. RecycledPixels ( обсуждение ) 17:19, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить по имени. Определенно лучше как красная ссылка. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback ) 17:40, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Шаг назад, двери закрываются.

• Шаг назад, двери закрываются → Вашингтонский метрополитен (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Я не верю, что эта фраза является синонимом цели, и на самом деле широко используется в бесчисленном количестве других мест. Привет, чувак, я Джош ( обсуждение ) 16:09, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Эта фраза получила освещение в контексте WMATA в прессе [1] [2], которая уже упоминалась в некоторой степени в целевой области, и эта конкретная фраза (с несколькими различными второстепенными версиями), вероятно, также могла бы быть добавлена. Нет сведений, используется ли эта точная фраза другими системами. (И есть новый инди-фильм на фестивале, действие которого происходит в Вашингтоне с таким названием [3].) Skynxnex ( обсуждение ) 16:44, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить как неправдоподобный поисковый термин — никто, ищущий информацию о метро, ​​не будет использовать эту фразу. Кроме того, по-видимому, есть фильм 2024 года с таким же названием, и WP:REDYES применим. 35.139.154.158 ( обсуждение ) 16:58, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Веб-интерфейсы

• Веб-интерфейсы → Пользовательский интерфейс#Типы (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Удалить лишнее перенаправление, так как у нас уже есть веб-интерфейс Nuclearelement ( обсуждение ) 03:42, 3 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

быстрое сохранение и перенаправление на веб-интерфейс TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 05:50, 3 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Перенацеливание на Web API вместе с Web interface и Web-interface . Наверное, мне стоило проверить, является ли web interface перенаправлением или нет. TeapotsOfDoom ( talk ) 22:47, 3 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Перенаправить на веб-интерфейс . Форма множественного числа — это вполне разумное перенаправление. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback ) 12:56, 3 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Быстрый ретаргетинг на веб-интерфейс , полностью действителен {{ R от множественного числа }} . mwwv ^converse ∫ _edits 14:31, 3 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Я хотел быстро закрыть это, чтобы соответствовать Web interface , но это перенаправление на User interface#Web interface . Конечно, это может быть прекрасным ретаргетингом, а затем пометить Web interfaces как R от plural и {{ R от Avoided Double Redirect }} . Однако я заметил, что есть также {{ Web interfaces }} , в которой Web API является «основной» статьей. Учитывая, что это полная статья, я предлагаю ретаргетинг как Web interface, так и Web interfaces на Web API и добавить здесь примечание redirects, упоминающее/ссылающееся на User interface , что-то вроде: «Web interface» перенаправляет сюда. Для пользовательских интерфейсов см. User interface и Web application . (так как Web application также содержит некоторые сведения об интерфейсе. Похоже, что наше освещение веб-интерфейсов кажется неполным.) Skynxnex ( talk ) 16:19, 3 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ reply ]

  Возможно, придется пересмотреть закрытие веб-интерфейса ниже, если мое предложение получит какую-либо поддержку. Skynxnex ( обсуждение ) 16:30, 3 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Перечислено повторно для более тщательного обсуждения и более четкого консенсуса.
Комментарий к повторному перечислению:Хотя все голоса направлены на повторную ориентацию, один указал наWeb APIвместовеб-интерфейса. Перечислено повторно для ясности
. Пожалуйста, добавьте новые комментарии под этим уведомлением. Спасибо,JuniperChill(обсуждение) 14:47, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC)[ отвечать ]

курица/яйцо

• Курица/яйцо → Курица или яйцо (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]          
• Курица/Яйцо → Курица или яйцо (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]          

может ли это быть правдоподобным случаем xy , когда у курицы и куриного яйца есть свои собственные артикли, или упоминание их обоих автоматически в первую очередь ассоциирует это с парадоксом? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:10, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Я бы предположил, что это относится к статье о парадоксе. PARAKANYAA ( обсуждение ) 14:13, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Keep-ish , как прилагательное. Нередко можно увидеть что-то, описанное как «проблема курицы/яйца» (может быть, с дефисом, может быть, с косой чертой), так что это не совсем случай XY, поскольку у нас есть нечто отличное, что объединяет оба, особенно с объединяющей пунктуацией. 35.139.154.158 ( talk ) 15:07, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Млаву ка Рарабе

• Mlawu ka Rarabe → Rarabe kaPhalo (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Это перенаправляет к отцу Млаву ка Рарабе, это кажется ненужным Smallangryplanet ( обсуждение ) 10:36, 4 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Слабое удержание Полезно для людей, ищущих королевские генеалогии. Однако есть соображения WP:RETURNTORED . Поскольку нет никаких других биографических подробностей, кроме упоминания о том, что он сын. Ca ^{Поговори со мной!}12:40, 4 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Перечислено повторно для более тщательного обсуждения и более четкого консенсуса.
Пожалуйста, добавьте новые комментарии под этим уведомлением. Спасибо, ✗ plicit 14:10, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC)[ отвечать ]

Информационный листок о комодском драконе

• Информационный листок о драконе Комодо → Дракон Комодо (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

создано как избыточная страница с пустяками, отправлено на afd и разнеслось в пух и прах в течение 4 минут. это, вероятно, не важно для этой номинации, которая сводится просто к удалению предыдущих перенаправлений «фактов» cogsan _{(пилить меня) (преследовать меня)} 14:00, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

разные земные персонажи

• Everdred → EarthBound ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Г-н Эвердред → EarthBound ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Мастер Белч → EarthBound ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Master Barf → EarthBound ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Runaway Five → EarthBound (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]          
• Братья Тонзура → EarthBound ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Orange Kid → EarthBound ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Apple Kid → EarthBound ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Bubble Monkey → EarthBound (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]          
• Mini barf → EarthBound ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Г-н Карпейнтер → EarthBound ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Geldegarde Monotoli → EarthBound ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Monomochi Monotori → EarthBound ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Фрэнк Флай → EarthBound ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

не упомянуто (в основном, belch упоминается в цитате), не очень важно (в основном, аргумент можно привести в пользу everdred и apple kid) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:13, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

разные земные сюжетные вещи

• Zombie Paper → EarthBound (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]          
• Frankystein Mark II → EarthBound ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Peaceful Rest Valley → EarthBound ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Apple of Enlightenment → EarthBound (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]          
• Пачка купюр → EarthBound (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]          

не упомянуто, и не очень важно, плюс-минус яблоко сюжетной экспозиции, которое упоминается один раз в игре и больше никогда не признается cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:02, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Редкий покемон

• Редкие покемоны → Геймплей покемонов#Группы покемонов ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]            

ух ты, круто, как стартеры и окаменелости? редкость отдельного покемона трудно подсчитать, когда есть больше одной игры и больше одного способа получить покемона, и это упоминается только в цели как "блестящие покемоны редки, лол" cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:47, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Удалить по имени. Это может относиться ко многим покемонам, которые редки во вселенной или редки в игровом смысле. Стартовые, ископаемые, псевдолегендарные, легендарные и мифические. TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 17:41, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Жизнь без надежды

• Жизнь без надежды → Ричард Рамирес ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]            

R без упоминания цели. Было много книг об этом парне. Зачем перенаправлять, если в статье, на которую он нацелен, нет информации о книге?

Также касается большинства других статей в категории:Документальные книги о Ричарде Рамиресе . Некоторые из этих книг, безусловно, примечательны, в этом случае WP:RETURNTORED , поскольку о них нет информации в целевой PARAKANYAA ( обсуждение ) 11:33, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Рохит

• Рохит → Рохит Шарма ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]            

Rohit Sharma — чрезвычайно популярная статья, и была под заголовком Rohit , но является ли Rohit Sharma основной темой для популярного имени «Rohit» (см. Rohit (имя) ). Если это так, то хорошо, останемся такими, какие мы есть, но я думаю, что это следует обсудить, потому что довольно необычно, чтобы имя перенаправлялось на человека, который, как не указано, известен под мононимом. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk ) 10:48, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Фу , какой беспорядок. Есть еще одноимённый Рохит (актер) . Я бы хотел переместить страницу с дэбом в основной заголовок (и убрать Шарму из вводного предложения, которое там неуместно), несмотря на то, что это, по-видимому, популярная статья среди статей для разных Рохит. 35.139.154.158 ( обсуждение ) 15:17, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Ro (антиген)

• Ro (антиген) → Аутоантитела к SSA/Ro (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

• Аутоантиген Ro → Кальретикулин (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Нам нужен эксперт, чтобы определить, правильно ли они нацелены. Shhhnotsoloud ( talk ) 09:57, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Оставьте первую ссылку, так как там упоминается «антиген Ro», и я думаю, что это основная статья, в которой он обсуждается. Есть ли какие-то противоречия, о которых мы не знаем? Для второй ссылки антиген Ro также является аутоантигеном Ro, то есть это аутоиммунный ответ. Следовательно, также перенаправьте «Аутоантиген Ro» на аутоантитела Anti-SSA/Ro . Кальретикулин не был ужасной целью, но аутоантитела Anti-SSA/Ro являются более подходящей целью. -- 11:44, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk}
• Перенацельте оба на Anti-SSA/Ro аутоантитела#Антигены , где подробно обсуждаются антигены Ro. В статье о кальретикулине говорится, что доказано, что он не является антигеном Ro. ― Syn path 14:42, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Критика объектно-ориентированного программирования

• Критика объектно-ориентированного программирования → Объектно-ориентированное программирование#Критика (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Целевой раздел Object-oriented programming#Criticism больше не существует в этой форме, см. это изменение . В настоящее время нет входящих внутренних ссылок. Нет соответствующей истории правок в Criticism of object-oriented programming , которую нужно было бы сохранить. Tea2min ( talk ) 09:55, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Это может быть связано с Object-oriented programming#Popularity and receive или просто удалено. Я голосую за удаление . Mathnerd314159 ( talk ) 14:29, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

@ Mathnerd314159 : Я уже исправил сломанный якорь раздела. Почему его лучше удалить? Jarble ( talk ) 15:11, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Список супертяжеловесов

• Список сверхтяжелых ракет → SpaceX Super Heavy#Development (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Удалить. Это перенаправление предполагаемого смешного термина "Heavies", созданного редактором для перенаправления на его любимую игровую площадку. Термин ни в коем случае не является обычным и никогда не использовался кем-либо, кроме этого редактора, который любит ссылаться на эту страницу на страницах обсуждения. Я считаю это неправильным использованием страниц перенаправления. 47.67.225.78 ( обсуждение ) 07:12, 31 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Keep Я уже общался с номинатором по этому поводу , но не думаю, что эти RfD привлекают много внимания, поэтому я вмешаюсь. «Тяжелые», как описано в Викисловаре, — это «множественное число от heavy». Наша страница неоднозначности Super Heavy включает SpaceX Super Heavy . В SpaceX Super Heavy есть список сверхтяжелых транспортных средств, также известных как «сверхтяжелые». Этот список является текущей целью: SpaceX Super Heavy#Development . Перенаправления дешевы , если это экономит одному редактору/читателю одну секунду на поиск или ссылку на цель, меня это устраивает. Перенаправление List of Super heavies и List of super heavies на одну и ту же цель меня тоже устраивает. Я не понимаю шутки. — Командир Кин ( обсуждение ) 08:42, 31 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]
  • Удалить . Меняю свое мнение по этому поводу. Вполне вероятно, что кто-то, ищущий список сверхтяжелых элементов ( ссылка ), мог бы пойти по "Списку сверхтяжелых элементов". Так что было бы безопаснее удалить перенаправление. Мы могли бы сослаться на страницу устранения неоднозначности, но это включает группу.-- Командир Кин ( обсуждение ) 09:12, 31 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

    Я имею в виду, что страница неоднозначности технически была бы списком вещей, которые мы считаем «сверхтяжелыми»... 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔙𝔙𝔙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( обсуждение ) 09:19, 31 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

    Хе-хе. Ну, печатать синтаксис удара на моем телефоне больно, поэтому я не буду менять свой !vote снова, но да, перенаправление на страницу устранения неоднозначности выглядит лучше всего. Командир Кин ( обсуждение ) 09:22, 31 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

    Страница Super_heavy, обслуживающая это, уже есть. Так что, будет ли нормально изменить перенаправление на нее? 47.67.225.78 ( talk ) 10:05, 31 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

    Перенацельте на сверхтяжелый (страница неоднозначности) согласно моему комментарию выше и комментарию о танке ниже. — Командир Кин ( обсуждение ) 11:31, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Сохранить . Я не уверен, что понимаю аргумент IP? «Heavyes» — это просто... множественное число от «Heavy», используемое как существительное, как в SpaceX Super Heavy — я бы легко мог увидеть несколько ступеней ракет SpaceX Super Heavy, называемых «Super Heavyes». Если вы перейдете по указанной ссылке, вам, по сути, будет предоставлен список всех ступеней ракет Super Heavy, которые существовали. Если только не будет лучшей цели для перенаправления, мы останемся здесь. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( обсуждение ) 08:58, 31 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Перенацельтесь на сверхтяжелый , как обсуждалось выше. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( обсуждение ) 10:47, 31 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Готово. WP:BOLD :) 47.67.225.78 ( обсуждение ) 11:15, 31 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Пожалуйста, не делайте этого. У нас все еще есть активный RfD; согласно тексту в самом верху этой самой страницы WP:RFD , очень нехорошая идея менять или переименовывать цель перенаправления, пока она обсуждается, поскольку это вызывает ненужные проблемы для закрывающего администратора и любых других участников обсуждения. Я отменил добросовестное редактирование здесь, но, пожалуйста, не делайте этого снова. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔫�🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( обсуждение ) 15:39, 31 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

• Комментарий "сверхтяжелый" - это бронированная боевая машина, тип танка. Это первое, что я ожидал бы от такого названия, список танков -- 65.92.246.77 ( обсуждение ) 21:44, 31 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Перенацелить на Сверхтяжелый . Я добавил Сверхтяжелый танк в DAB по IP выше меня. Fieari ( обсуждение ) 05:04, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Не согласен с retarget. Это о множественном числе, а это о списке. Нет никаких названных/пронумерованных сверхтяжелых танков. Ergzay ( обсуждение ) 16:45, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

KEEP List of Super Heavies явно отличается от страницы disambuigation. Если хотите, его можно переименовать в List of Super Heavy Boosters.

Перенаправление на Super Heavy не имеет смысла. Просмотр просмотров страниц для каждой из страниц, перечисленных на странице disambuigation, может помочь определить, что люди думают, когда думают о "Super Heavy". Каждое число — это последнее количество просмотров страниц, перечисленных.

Сверхтяжелый ( Предлагаемая цель перенаправления ): 25, Без рейтинга (страница устранения помех)

Трансурановый элемент : 141, C-класс

Сверхтяжелый : 57, класс Stub

SuperHeavy (альбом) : 12, Старт-класс

SpaceX Super Heavy ( текущая цель перенаправления ): 1127, B-класс

Сверхтяжелый танк : 364, Стартовый класс

Текущая цель перенаправления имеет больше просмотров, чем все остальные. Вместе взятые. А затем почти удвоилась.

ПРАВКА Если что-то и должно быть целью перенаправления для «Списка сверхтяжелых ракет», так это должен быть сверхтяжелый ускоритель .

Кроме того, здесь обсуждается возможность превращения Списка сверхтяжелых кораблей в отдельную статью (наряду со Списком звездолетов ) .

Это не беспрецедентно: список ускорителей первой ступени Falcon 9 все-таки существует. Отредактировано II ( обсуждение ) 12:06, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Комментарий. В рекомендациях предлагается уведомить создателя перенаправления, если оно обсуждается: «Пожалуйста, уведомите добросовестного создателя и всех основных участников перенаправления».

Это не было сделано ни для этого, ни для предыдущего предложенного удаления. Редактировано II ( обсуждение ) 12:49, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Комментарий: « текущая цель перенаправления имеет больше просмотров, чем все остальные ». — это корыстно. Например, когда Google ищет в Википедии, он следует за перенаправлением и спамит результаты поиска с помощью ускорителя. Однако это не имеет значения, поскольку существуют другие важные «сверхтяжелые» значения, и перенаправление должно их учитывать. Я все еще думаю, что удаление было бы лучшим вариантом, но устранение амбиций — на втором месте. Сохранение бесполезно.

47.67.225.78 ( обсуждение ) 18:26, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Просмотры перенаправления статьи Super Heavy на короткое время увеличились примерно на 40 просмотров, что вполне соответствовало нормальному отклонению на тот момент (текущее отклонение составляет около 200 в день).

Текущее количество просмотров перенаправления составляет 10. 10 просмотров — это ничто, когда ежедневные колебания измеряются сотнями.

Это все еще ставит ее намного выше других страниц. Вместе взятых.

Кроме того, пользователи @ing участвуют в обсуждении создания Списка супертяжеловесов .

@ Ergzay , @ HLFan , @ Spookywooky2 Вы все были вовлечены в обсуждение, которое привело к созданию спорных перенаправлений. Отредактировано II ( обсуждение ) 15:24, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Это обсуждение было месяц назад, о "Списке звездолетов" и закончилось. Не имеет ничего общего с тем, что здесь обсуждается, но называйте помощников как хотите. Тем не менее, нет ничего, что называлось бы "Сверхтяжелые", это в лучшем случае множественное число, относящееся к нескольким сущностям, называемым "сверхтяжелыми", в худшем случае - чепуха. 47.67.225.78 ( обсуждение ) 16:28, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Обсуждение, которое привело к созданию перенаправления, является допустимым в обсуждении относительно потенциального удаления указанного перенаправления. Фактически, вы должны уведомить создателя перенаправления и всех основных участников. Вы не сделали этого ни для этой попытки удаления, ни для предыдущего предложенного удаления. Отредактировано II ( обсуждение ) 19:23, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

@ 47.67.225.78 Пожалуйста, не предполагайте недобросовестность с такими заявлениями, как «задумано, чтобы быть смешным» и «личная игровая площадка». Это крайне неточно. Множественное число от Heavy в данном случае — Heavies или, возможно, Heavys. Это совершенно нормальное перенаправление. Ваша история постов показывает явную личную ненависть к Redacted II. Если вы продолжите такое поведение, я лично поставлю себе цель забанить вас по IP за такого рода травлю. Это совершенно неуместно. Ergzay ( talk ) 16:34, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Спасибо.

(Просто чтобы вы знали, я уже сообщал о них раньше, но администраторы не были заинтересованы в том, чтобы что-то с этим делать) Отредактировано II ( обсуждение ) 17:34, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Sock puppeting применяется только к аккаунтам, а не к IP-адресам, поэтому ваша проблема, вероятно, была усугублена тем, что вы не сообщили о вещах правильно. Также я думаю, что вы выбрали слишком много примеров просто несотрудничающих комментариев без достаточного количества примеров личных нападок. Соблюдайте конкретику в отчете. Нет такого правила, по которому вы не можете сделать второй отчет ANI после того, как прошло некоторое время с новыми событиями. Прошло три месяца. Напишите мне на мою страницу обсуждения, если вы это сделаете, и я поддержу вас, если будет достаточно доказательств. Ergzay ( обсуждение ) 22:19, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Вероятно, эта ошибка и погубила его.

Я дам им еще один шанс, прежде чем снова пробовать ANI. Отредактировано II ( обсуждение ) 23:46, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

@ Ergzay. Забавно, как вы обвиняете меня в недобросовестности, при этом намекая на несколько других «проступков», которые были давно опровергнуты... Не могли бы вы и ваши приятели прекратить митинговать против меня? Похоже, это кампания по моей дискредитации и эта переписанная дискуссия, в то время как никаких фактических аргументов не приводится. Полностью вырваны из контекста и просто WP:PA 47.67.225.78 ( обсуждение ) 09:59, 4 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Итак, говорить, что статья B-класса — это «игровая площадка» для пользователей, — это нормально, но поправлять вас за неоднократные нарушения WP:AGF (и игнорирование установленных фактов) — это личные нападки ?

Хорошо.

Конечно. Отредактировано II ( обсуждение ) 20:16, 4 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Keep Также не перенаправляйте. Перенаправление на Super Heavy не имеет смысла, учитывая, что несколько элементов на этой странице не могли бы иметь список, составленный из них. В худшем случае, он должен иметь свою собственную страницу устранения неоднозначности, а ссылка SpaceX должна быть сделана «основной темой» для темы. Ergzay ( обсуждение ) 16:48, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Уже есть страница псевдо-неоднозначности для Super Heavy . Отредактировано II ( обсуждение ) 17:40, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

@ Ergzay , не уверен, что понимаю твою логику. Ты предлагаешь нам сохранить перенаправление на список SpaceX? Ты сказал: «несколько элементов на этой странице не могли бы иметь список, составленный из них». В Википедии у нас есть список сверхтяжелых элементов ( ссылка ), список сверхтяжелых баков ( ссылка ) и список сверхтяжелых ракетных ускорителей ( ссылка ). Возможно, изменение списка сверхтяжелых элементов на страницу устранения неоднозначности, ссылающуюся на эти списки, будет уместным.

Кроме того, я не вижу в этих списках основной темы, а рейтинги качества статей и количество просмотров, вероятно, в данном случае не имеют значения.

Я определенно собираюсь съесть немного скромного пирога из-за моего комментария о том, что эти обсуждения становятся малопосещаемыми. Командир Кин ( обсуждение ) 22:43, 4 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

@ Commander Keane SpaceX Starship регулярно попадает в заголовки новостей, сверхтяжелые танки и сверхтяжелые элементы — нет. Вот почему я бы назвал это основной темой. И я согласен с «Возможно, изменение Списка сверхтяжелых на страницу устранения неоднозначности, ссылающуюся на эти списки, уместно». Однако я отмечу, что есть связанная страница Список звездолетов , которая ссылается на эквивалентную страницу для верхней ступени, хотя я уверен, что есть тонны других списков звездолетов с различными значениями в других местах в Википедии, у нас она по-прежнему остается в основном основной страницей, даже без каких-либо страниц устранения неоднозначности. Я не уверен, чем отличаются эти два случая. И, наконец, все это подготовка к тому, чтобы превратить ее в отдельную страницу, например, Список ускорителей первой ступени Falcon 9 , когда список станет достаточно длинным, чтобы его разделить. Ergzay ( обсуждение ) 12:07, 5 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Опять же, страница с неоднозначностью Super Heavy уже есть . И из всех упомянутых здесь статей, SpaceX Super heavy является как самой качественной (B-класса), так и самой просматриваемой, и единственной, имеющей «Высокую важность» для WikiProject.

Перенаправление списка на страницу устранения неоднозначности, которая получает от 1 до 25 просмотров в день (при этом всплески просмотров приходятся на даты Рейса 1 , Рейса 2 , Рейса 3 , Рейса 4 и Рейса 5 ), вообще не имеет смысла.

(Кроме того, я считаю, что список уже достаточно длинный, чтобы превратиться в отдельную страницу, и так было уже некоторое время) Отредактировано II ( обсуждение ) 13:14, 5 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Перечислено повторно для более тщательного обсуждения и более четкого консенсуса.
Пожалуйста, добавьте новые комментарии под этим уведомлением. Спасибо, ✴️Icarus The Astrologer✴️ 09:40, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC)[ отвечать ]

Инди ГеройКликс (heroclix)

• Indy HeroClix (heroclix) → HeroClix ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]            

Неправильное форматирование DAB, указание его как внутри, так и снаружи скобок. Удалить как бесполезное перенаправление. Если оставить, перенаправьте на Список дополнений HeroClix#Основная серия . TNstingray ( обсуждение ) 18:04, 3 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Удалить . Да, действительно, перенесите меня на страницу о герокликсе! Какой именно? Тот, который является герокликсом! Это очень неправдоподобная попытка разрешения неоднозначности, и она нам не нужна. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔫�🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( обсуждение ) 04:30, 4 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Переместите несущественную историю правок в Indy Clix (судя по поиску Google, это настоящее имя) и перезагрузите в List of HeroClix supplements#Main series, как и предлагалось. — Предыдущий неподписанный комментарий добавлен BOZ ( talk • contribs ) 08:12, 4 ноября 2024 (UTC)[ отвечать ]

Перечислено повторно для более тщательного обсуждения и более четкого консенсуса.
Пожалуйста, добавьте новые комментарии под этим уведомлением. Спасибо, С уважением, SONIC 678 04:17, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC)[ отвечать ]

Милый маленький к

• Милый маленький k → Константа скорости реакции (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Возможный бессмысленный редирект. Единственное, что я могу разобрать, это то, что переменная — k. Не знаю, что делает ее милой. TeapotsOfDoom ( talk ) 00:47, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить по имени. (Но если бы это было сохранено, я думаю, оно должно было бы указывать на K. ) Duckmather ( обсуждение ) 01:52, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Перенаправить на K , как предлагает Duckmather , или удалить как бессмыслицу. Поиск в Google выдает кучу милых графических изображений, относящихся к букве, и ничего о химии. Вероятно, создано как шутка. Carguychris ( обсуждение ) 14:15, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить как бессмыслицу или пасхальное яйцо перенаправления. Это тот тип шуток, которые студенты используют друг для друга при изучении материала. Я тоже не нахожу ничего стоящего в DDG. ― Syn path 14:24, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Милашка-тян

• Cute-chan → Эллисон Гарвард (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Кажется, это не распространённое прозвище для неё. TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 00:45, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить по имени. Я гуглил эту фразу, и все, что я получил, это набор общих символов -chan. Duckmather ( обсуждение ) 01:51, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Милашка из класса

• Милашка из класса → The Cut (фильм 2007 г.) (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Возможный альтернативный перевод? Пока не вижу упоминаний. TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 00:45, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

10 ноября

Кэтрин «Кэти» Бринн Купер

• Кэтрин «Кэти» Бринн Купер → Убийства на острове Виста в 2014 году#Убитые жертвы (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Неправдоподобный поисковый запрос из-за '' '' Blethering Scot 22:58, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Австралийский альянс по охране здоровья женщин

Закрытое обсуждение , см. полное обсуждение . Результат: speedy keep

ЛОТАД

• LOTAD → Инструментальное ускоренное прохождение (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Маловероятный поисковый запрос, его следовало бы удалить вместе с демонстрацией с помощью инструмента низкой оптимизации. ~ Eejit43 ( обсуждение ) 22:12, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить Это часть спам-кампании одного пользователя, которого за это заблокировали. Идея состояла в том, чтобы отчаянно спамить Википедию перенаправлениями, вики-ссылками с пасхальными яйцами и мусорными статьями, чтобы попытаться придумать непонятный жаргон о скоростном беге в видеоиграх. Он непонятен по своим собственным стандартам и даже не существует ни в одной статье. Это все невероятно непонятный или полностью воображаемый жаргон, который никто никогда не будет искать где-либо, особенно здесь. — Smuckola (обсуждение) 01:49, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

это непонятный жаргон. не воображаемый, но все еще непонятный. удалить , с легким предубеждением к перенаправлению на список покемонов 3-го поколения, потому что lotad не заслуживает Caps Lock :c cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:38, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Майкл «Севен» Саммерс

• Майкл «Севен» Саммерс → Семь (продюсер) (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Неправдоподобный поисковый запрос из-за использования Seven Blethering Scot 22:09, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Предлагаю не удалять, а оставить редирект, так как в титрах альбомов (в которых Seven (продюсер) принимает непосредственное участие, конечно) он часто указывается как Michael "Seven" Summers. Vanity pimp ( обсуждение ) 22:18, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Keep per Vanity pimp. Майкл «Севен» Саммерс — так его часто называют в альбомах, которые он спродюсировал, поэтому я думаю, что вполне реалистично, что люди будут использовать именно эту точную формулировку в качестве поискового запроса. ModernDayTrilobite ( обсуждение • вклад ) 14:46, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

2024-25 X²O Badkamers Trophy

• 2024-25 X²O Badkamers Trophy → 2024–25 Cyclo-cross Trophy (обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]        

удаление. Я ошибочно создал этот редирект, используя неправильное тире в названии: 2024-25. Редирект с правильным тире 2024–25 уже создан. Hg03u ( talk ) 21:53, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалено . См. мои комментарии выше, в разделе для Австралийского женского альянса по охране здоровья; поскольку вы его только что создали, а затем переместили, ситуация функционально та же самая. Nyttend ( talk ) 02:10, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Диалекты

• Диалект оура → язык миякоан (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект маэдзато → язык миякоан (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект саоду → Кластер диалектов окиноэрабу (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект кинэн → язык токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект Омо → язык Токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект Токувасэ → язык Токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

• Диалект каметоку → язык токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект Агон → Язык Токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект инутабу → язык токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект итокина → язык токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект Кодзима → язык Токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект Ниси-Акина → язык Токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект Каминоминэ → Язык Токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект Сёда → язык Токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект инокава → язык токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект симокуши → язык токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект сетаки → язык токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект Оцукава → язык Токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект Кедоку → язык Токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект Нисикоми → язык Амами-Осима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект ниси-коми → язык амами-осима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект ашикебу → язык амами-осима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект Тодороки → Язык Токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект окадзен → язык токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект сан → язык токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект тэтэ → язык токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект Акакина → язык Амами-Осима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект Онгачи → язык Амами-Осима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект канеку → язык токуносима (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Диалект хинай → язык йонагуни (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Не упомянуто в целевой статье. Blethering Scot 21:18, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Nagasaki Buzzard Attack Chopper (боевой вертолет) (Grand Theft Auto V)

• Nagasaki Buzzard Attack Chopper (боевой вертолет) (Grand Theft Auto V) → Boeing AH-6 (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Неправдоподобный перенаправленный поисковый запрос Blethering Scot 20:44, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить как WP:GAMECRUFT . Это транспортное средство появляется в игре Grand Theft Auto, о которой упоминается перенаправление, а также в Grand Theft Auto: The Ballad of Gay Tony и Grand Theft Auto Online (и это разблокируемое и/или покупаемое транспортное средство во всех трех этих играх), но оно не упоминается ни в одной из этих статей и, похоже, не является важным сюжетным ходом в этих играх. Оно может быть смоделировано по образцу целевого транспортного средства (оба являются легкими ударными вертолетами), но я не уверен, что это достаточно веская причина, чтобы перенаправить этот длинный и громоздкий заголовок на эту статью, тем более, что он там тоже не упоминается. Я думаю, что эту работу лучше оставить поисковым системам и вики GTA . С уважением, SONIC 678 00:50, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить по Sonic678 , смехотворно неправдоподобный и напыщенный WP:GAMECRUFT, вероятно, созданный как шутка для своих. Carguychris ( обсуждение ) 14:17, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

VIA Rail Канада

• VIA Rail Kanada → Via Rail (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Kanada — это Канада на немецком языке, к которому VIA Rail не имеет никакого отношения . Schützenpanzer (Обсуждение) 20:43, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Радио-Канада

• Radio-Canada → Canadian Broadcasting Corporation ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]            

Предыдущие запросы на доставку для этого и похожих перенаправлений:

• Wikipedia:Перенаправления для обсуждения/Журнал/2024 30 апреля § Radio-Canada – сохранить

Вместо этого создайте страницу устранения неоднозначности. Хотя CBC на французском языке называется "Radio-Canada", этот термин на английском языке чаще всего относится к Ici Radio-Canada Télé или Ici Radio-Canada Première , двум его основным вещательным службам. Взгляд на входящие ссылки на Radio-Canada показывает, что почти все они на самом деле предназначены для одной из этих двух статей. 162 и т. д. ( обсуждение ) 20:37, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Для тех же аргументов на предыдущем RfD текущая цель была сочтена основной темой. [Раскрытие информации: закрытие предыдущего RfD] Джей 💬 07:23, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Планетный террор

• Plannet террор → Grindhouse (фильм) (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Это неправильное написание слова «planet», но по какой-то причине, когда он был создан в 2007 году, он был перенаправлен на текущую цель, а не на Planet Terror (справедливости ради, Planet Terror — один из двух фильмов, показанных в Grindhouse , но все равно не имеет смысла перенаправлять его на страницу о последнем фильме, а не о первом). Ошибка также сомнительна — поиск в Google по этой точной ошибке показывает материалы, связанные с Grindhouse и Terror Planet , но постеры и прочее по-прежнему показывают правильно написанное Pla n et Terror . В такой ситуации я предлагаю либо удалить это перенаправление, либо перенаправить его на Planet Terror , и я хотел бы услышать ваши мысли по этому поводу. С уважением, SONIC 678 20:28, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Planet Terror не получал собственной статьи до 2009 года, поэтому это объясняет, почему вместо этого был сделан редирект на Grindhouse (фильм) . Однако я не вижу никаких веских причин сохранять это. Удалить . 162 и т. д. ( обсуждение ) 02:01, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Кикураге

• Kikurage → Auricularia heimuer (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Гриб Кикураге → Auricularia heimuer (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Грибы кикураге → Auricularia heimuer (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Не уверен, каков дальнейший путь с этими перенаправлениями. Недавно я изменил цель этих перенаправлений с Tremella fuciformis на Auricularia heimuer (при создании Kikurage ), обнаружив, что большинство результатов на английском языке для термина "Kikurage" относятся к Auricularia heimuer (в частности, его использование в японской кухне), что по сути является WP:PRIMARYTOPIC для этого термина из-за его общего использования в английском языке для обозначения японского кулинарного использования. Однако после просмотра Tremella fuciformis термин "Kikurage" упоминается в статье, что, вероятно, является причиной перенаправлений грибов Kikurage и грибов Kikurage , нацеленных на него. На данный момент я не уверен, является ли "сохранить", "перенацелить" или "устранить неоднозначность" (возможно, перенацелив на Wood ear ?) лучшим способом действия здесь, поэтому я выношу это на обсуждение. Steel1943 ( обсуждение ) 19:47, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Просто из прочтения статей кажется, что перенаправления на Auricularia heimuer верны. Tremella fuciformis — это shiro kikurage (или белый kikurage) на японском языке. Я не думаю, что это просто белая форма kikurage , так как это совсем другие грибы (разные таксономические классы). Мне кажется, что это больше похоже на тигровый и тасманийский тигровый, где последние не являются близкими родственниками кошек. Единственный вопрос в том, можно ли использовать «грибы кикураге» для таких разных грибов, которые используются в кулинарии совершенно по-разному. —  Jts1882 | talk 12:49, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]  

Нил.веселье

• Neal.fun → Infinite Craft (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Для игр на neal.fun существуют две статьи в Википедии: The Password Game и Infinite Craft . Четкой основной темы нет. Sebbog13 ( обсуждение ) 18:44, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• (был уведомлен о перенаправлении, но не о RfD, через Wikimedia Discord.) SIAfy кажется лучшим вариантом в данном случае. theleekycauldron ( обсуждение • она/ее) 18:59, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Чтобы помочь другим людям, которые также не поняли, что означает SIAfying, после осмотра я пришел к выводу, что leeky имеет в виду набор статей индекса BugGhost 🦗👻 08:50, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить SIA здесь не кажется уместным, так как мы не пытаемся различать две игры с похожими названиями. Скорее, обе игры производятся Neal.fun. Поскольку обе игры примечательны, разумно, что их производитель также будет примечательным. Таким образом, я предпочитаю удаление, чтобы способствовать созданию статьи. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback ) 15:05, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Дэвид Шимански

• Дэвид Шимански → Dusk (видеоигра) ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]            

Я думаю, что Дэвид Шимански не должен быть перенаправлением на Dusk . Он разработал несколько игр, поэтому, вероятно, лучше, чтобы его имя было красной ссылкой, а не перенаправлением на одну конкретную игру. См. WP:RETURNTORED . Di (they-them) ( talk ) 18:36, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Поддержка по имени. Возможно, Ди видел мое сообщение в Discord, где я сказал, что перенаправление должно быть красной ссылкой. Так что я, очевидно, поддерживаю это. - Sebbog13 ( обсуждение ) 18:46, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

вернитесь к красному имени и вставьте сюда реплики большого Джона, cogsan _{(я здесь) (сделай это, убей меня, давай)} 11:40, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

должен упомянуть, что я нашел кое-какие потенциально надежные материалы, но их лучше втиснуть в черновик после того, как этот закончится. результаты, похоже, разрываются между «Dark» и «Iron Light» как его самой популярной игрой, хотя я почти уверен, что мы все знаем, что честь должна принадлежать squirrel stapler cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:42, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

РубРуб

• RubRub → Geometry Dash#Pre-Geometry Dash ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]            

Так в шутку называют создателя этой игры участники сообщества, так что это возможно фанкрафт . TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 18:36, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Война Звезд

• Звездные войны → Звездные войны (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Довольно неправдоподобная опечатка TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 18:33, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Keep . Я не думаю, что мы должны обязательно предполагать, что это может быть только опечаткой или ошибкой. В буквальном смысле «звездная война» — это просто война в звездах, и я думаю, что «Звездные войны», вероятно, являются самым ярким примером этого. Даже как неправильное написание или неправильное запоминание названия франшизы, это не кажется особенно неправдоподобным. – Майкл Аурел ( обсуждение ) 00:55, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Закиньте протонную торпеду в его тепловой выхлопной порт . Совершенно бесполезно для, вероятно, самой известной научно-фантастической франшизы, в то время как внешний поиск находит другие вещи, на самом деле названные так. Дайте людям немного доверия . 35.139.154.158 ( обсуждение ) 06:32, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Удалить - "Stars War" - это турнир по Warcraft , который проводится с 2005 года, поэтому это перенаправление неверно. Хотя это также может быть ошибочным названием для Star Wars, я не думаю, что нацеливание на него правильно, поскольку любой, кто ищет турнир, будет wp:astonished BugGhost 🦗👻 07:41, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Сетевое вещание

• Сетевое вещание → Подкаст (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

В статье TeapotsOfDoom не упоминается ( обсуждение ) 18:30, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Ладонное литье

• Palmcasting → Подкаст ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]            

нет упоминания TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 18:28, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Пунч-кастинг

• Punchcasting → Подкаст (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

нет упоминания TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 18:28, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Хаотолерантность

• Хаотолерантность → Хаотропный агент (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Никаких упоминаний о "толерантности" или "хаотолерантности" в целевой статье. Похоже на портманто "хаос-толерантности", но без объяснения на целевой странице люди, использующие этот поисковый термин, будут в замешательстве относительно того, что он означает или как он связан с темой, без описания или определения, оправдывающего перенаправление. Utopes _{( talk / cont )} 01:13, 26 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Сохраните или сделайте мягкую переадресацию на викисловарь. Определение по сути «толерантность к хаотропным агентам/состояниям», и эта страница является наиболее релевантным результатом вики для поиска по слову «хаотолерантность». Я не думаю, что пользователь, которому нужно понимать этот термин (он очень, очень узкоспециализированный, с примерно 80-90 попаданиями в Google Scholar), будет особенно удивлен, попав на « хаотропный агент» — ключевое понятие в определении этого слова. ― Syn path 14:48, 26 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Я бы поддержал мягкую переадресацию на викисловарь в этом случае, так как единственные упоминания "хаотолерантности" во всей Википедии находятся на страницах Wallemiomycetes и Wallemia sebi . Было бы лучше, если бы Хаотропный агент говорил о том, "что делает что-то хаотолерантным" или "что вообще такое хаотолерантность", но это не так. Однако статья в викисловаре действительно ответила бы на этот вопрос в стиле словаря. Если бы такой результат произошел, я бы также аналогичным образом создал Хаотолерантность в костюме, указывающую на Wikt:хаотолерантность. Utopes _{( обсуждение / продолжение )} 20:58, 26 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Сохраните или сделайте мягкую переадресацию на викисловарь, с предпочтением сохранения. WP: УДИВЛЕНИЕ не должно быть проблемой при попадании сюда... само слово делает определение ясным при попадании в эту статью... толерантность к хаотропным агентам - это толерантность к хаосу . Не требуется исключительных размышлений, чтобы понять это. Fieari ( обсуждение ) 07:06, 30 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

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Комментарий о перераспределении:Сохранить или мягко перенаправить?
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Шэнь ан калхар

• Shen an calhar → World of Warcraft (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Как это в итоге перенаправило в WoW? Видимо, это каким-то образом перенаправило не на ту франшизу. Небольшое исследование показывает, что это должно быть из Колеса Времени. При этом там тоже нет упоминания об этом. Похоже, что «Банда Красной Руки» — более распространенное название для этой внутривселенской группы, которая упоминается в статьях. TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 21:09, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Перенаправление на Список персонажей Колеса Времени#Mat Cauthon , так как Band of the Red Hand также перенаправляет на него. Procyon117 ( обсуждение ) 14:43, 3 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Комментарий , при дальнейшем рассмотрении оказывается, что изначально он перенаправлял на правильную франшизу, но был изменен по неизвестной причине. Вероятно, его можно просто вернуть обратно, если вы не против. Procyon117 ( обсуждение ) 14:45, 3 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить . Если только кто-то не добавит упоминание в предложенную цель. Я не вижу, как кто-то выиграет от этого, если это нигде не упоминается. CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:09, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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Мир памяти

• Мир памяти → Yu-Gi-Oh! (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

В целевой статье нет упоминания о "Memory". Как оказалось, весь этот заголовок — это одна буква от существующего перенаправления " Memory word ", и может вводить в заблуждение людей, которые пропускают там букву "L" (что, возможно, согласно Фалькольну ). В любом случае, перенаправление уже вводит в заблуждение, поскольку эта концепция не обсуждается в целевой статье. Utopes _{( talk / cont )} 08:09, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить по имени Veverve ( обсуждение ) 10:34, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

удалить имя до того, как его найдет Тецуя Номура cogsan _{(nag me) (преследовать меня)} 16:46, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Комментарий . Упоминается в списке глав Yu-Gi-Oh! Shhhnotsoloud ( обсуждение ) 19:48, 4 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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Комментарий к повторному перечислению:Все еще удалять? Или мы хотим перенацелиться наСписок глав Yu-Gi-Oh!?
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я думаю, что это все еще может быть немного расплывчато, если честно. nyarlathotep запретите кому-либо приводить сюда психонавтов cogsan _{(пилить меня) (преследовать меня)} 11:44, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Корамандал ФК

• Coramandal FC → Ассоциация футбола Андхра-Прадеш (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

следует удалить, пока на целевой странице не появится список связанных футбольных клубов. - MPGuy2824 ( обсуждение ) 09:20, 3 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Слабый ретаргетинг на Coromandel International , который является целью Coromandel FC . Джей 💬 10:01, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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Аяк

• Ayak → James Hype (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Перенацеливание на заголовки и словарь Ку-клукс-клана#Кодовые слова и фразы . Термин «аяк» упоминается только дважды в статье, на которую он в настоящее время указывает, и оба раза не находятся в основных частях статьи. 74.108.22.119 (обсуждение) 13:51, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Андра Геч

• Andra Ghech → Читралский район ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]            

Нет упоминания об этом на текущей целевой странице или в долине Хот , изначальной цели. Это может быть деревня в одном из двух мест. - MPGuy2824 ( обсуждение ) 12:27, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Флаг Северного Йемена

• Флаг Северного Йемена → Флаг Йемена (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Я сделаю это статьей, как и Флаг Южного Йемена — это статья Abo Yemen ✉ 11:18, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Комментарий . Обычно я бы сказал перенацелиться на Северный Йемен (который неправильно отмечен как страница dab, подробнее об этом чуть позже), где есть изображение флага. Он достаточно короткий, чтобы вместить информацию о флаге, и если спин-аут оправдан, это может произойти без обсуждения здесь. Однако я заметил, что номинатор недавно преобразовал его из страницы dab в статью (не удалив шаблон dab или не добавив никаких источников). Я ничего не знаю об истории региона и понятия не имею, было ли это разумным или нет. Я бы посоветовал другим, кто мог бы, присмотреться повнимательнее. 35.139.154.158 ( talk ) 15:47, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Кэндзи Танака

• Кэндзи Танака → Кэйдзи Танака ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]            

Я думаю, что лучше удалить этот редирект, чем нацеливаться на неправильное написание. Похоже, в реальной жизни он двусмыслен (см. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kenji Tanaka (footballer, birth 1983) и Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kenji Tanaka (footballer, birth 2001) ). Shhhnotsoloud ( talk ) 09:38, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ reply ]

• Удалить, так как есть реальные люди с таким именем. Перенаправление на кого-то с другим именем сбивает с толку и фактически маргинализирует имя Кенджи в целом. Glades12 ( обсуждение ) 21:15, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Lectka энантиоселективный синтез бета-лактама

• Lectka энантиоселективный синтез бета-лактама → Β-лактам ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Lectka Reaction → Β-Lactam (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]          
• Lectka Энантиоселективный синтез бета-лактама → Β-лактам ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           
• Lectka Асимметричный синтез бета-лактама → Β-лактам (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Верхний редирект ранее был статьей, которая была перенаправлена ​​согласно Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lectka_enantioselective_beta-lactam_synthesis , по-видимому, чтобы сохранить возможность частичного слияния. Но никакого слияния не произошло, и никакой заинтересованности в этом не было выражено, и я не думаю, что есть какой-либо контент, достойный слияния. Нет никаких доказательств того, что это именованная реакция, которая достаточно распространена, чтобы заслуживать упоминания в статье. Удалить все. Mdewman6 ( обсуждение ) 07:37, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Джеб Буш о проблемах

• Джеб Буш о проблемах → Политические позиции Джеба Буша (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Удалить. Страница не имеет истории редактирования, кроме ее создания (как перенаправления) и ее номинации на удаление, и вряд ли использовалась в прошлом или будет полезна в будущем. Поскольку она не соответствует RFD#8, если перенаправление является новым или очень неясным синонимом для названия статьи, которое не упомянуто в цели, оно вряд ли будет полезным , его следует удалить. — Kodiak Blackjack ( обсуждение ) • ( вклад ) 00:33, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

« Оставаться в стороне» — это общеупотребительная фраза, обозначающая политические взгляды. Примеры для Джеба Буша: [4] [5][6]

Пример для Калама Харрис [7]. Ca ^{Поговори со мной!}15:33, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Keep per Ca. Это перенаправление безвредно, и нет другой подходящей цели. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback ) 19:43, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Придерживайтесь вышеизложенного. Фраза «по вопросам» не «очень непонятна» BugGhost 🦗👻 07:44, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

9 ноября

Уолт Дисней Продакшнс

• Walt Disney Productions → Walt Disney Animation Studios ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]            

Я очень рад номинировать это 9-го числа месяца. За всю свою 20-летнюю/2-десятилетнюю историю это название никогда не номинировалось на RFD или для какого-либо обсуждения, поскольку это спорное бывшее дочернее/дивизионное название Disney, в которое влепили WP:STATUSQUO вперемешку. Я призываю либо к установленному индексу, либо к устранению неоднозначности этого названия, как и Fox (канал) / Fox Channel . Intrisit ( обсуждение ) 22:01, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Перенаправить на The Walt Disney Company Это прежнее название компании, и я вижу страницу обсуждения, заполненную перекати-поле . Прежнее название, переименование, довольно стандартная плата за проезд здесь. Нейт • ( болтовня ) 01:23, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Йоси (персонаж Nintendo)

• Йоси (персонаж Nintendo) → Йоши (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Неправильное написание вместе с устранением неоднозначности. Не думаю, что это очень правдоподобно. TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 20:22, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить по имени. Базовое имя Yosi уже перенаправляет на Yoshi , {{ R от ненужной неоднозначности }} для неправильного написания без других тем — это слишком большая натяжка. Mdewman6 ( обсуждение ) 07:58, 3 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]
• Сохраняйте недвусмысленное и правдоподобное неправильное написание. Японская фонология на самом деле не различает звуки "ш" и "с". Ca ^{Поговори со мной!}13:28, 4 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить Ошибка сама по себе правдоподобна, но сочетание ошибки с ненужным устранением неоднозначности делает это перенаправление слишком неправдоподобным, на мой взгляд. QuicoleJR ( обсуждение ) 19:58, 4 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]
• Удалить — сочетание неправильного написания и неверного разрешения неоднозначности слишком велико, чтобы оставлять его. Sergecross73 msg me 00:25, 5 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Сохраните как альтернативную латинизацию японского имени (не опечатка, не ошибка), согласно WP:RFOR . Hepburn дает нам Yoshi. Nihon Shiki дает нам Yosi. Политика заключается в том, что написание и слова на иностранных языках являются подходящими перенаправлениями, если тема связана с этим языком, и этот регистр совпадает. Fieari ( обсуждение ) 04:00, 6 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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• Удалить , хотя я вижу немало доказательств романизации как "Йосси" (включая официальные материалы Nintendo), я не вижу ничего о "Йоси". И даже первое, кажется, несколько устарело, поскольку подавляющее большинство современных источников используют "Йоши". Объединение всего этого с устранением неоднозначности делает любые претензии на полезность этого весьма сомнительными. Трудно понять, кому это может принести пользу. 35.139.154.158 ( talk ) 02:58, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Англия Львиные Сердца

• England Lionhearts → Сборная Англии по регби#England Lionhearts ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]            

Mn1548  ( talk  · contribs ) номинировал этот редирект в AfD , но за 18 лет существования это всегда было редирект. Их обоснование следующее:

Не могу найти достаточно ссылок, чтобы сделать это страницей, но очевидно, что это не сборная Англии. Либо нужен более подходящий редирект, либо страницу нужно удалить, поскольку текущий редирект очень вводит в заблуждение.
—  Пользователь:Mn1548 18:50, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC)

Единственный другой комментарий в AfD просто выразил, что это должно было прийти в RfD. У меня нет мнения или комментария относительно достоинств любой потенциальной статьи , но очевидно, что текущее перенаправление бесполезно : раздел, на который оно в настоящее время перенаправляет, и фактически любое упоминание "England Lionhearts" в цели, были удалены в ноябре 2015 года . WC Quidditch ☎ ✎ 21:27, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Спасибо, что исправили мою ошибку и поместили это в правильное место для соответствующего обсуждения. Mn1548 ( обсуждение ) 22:00, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Критерии избранной темы

• Критерии избранных тем → Википедия: Критерии избранных и хороших тем (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Еще один WP:CNR перенаправляет на критерии избранных тем. Это немного похоже на WP:SELF или WP:Clue#Readers . Если обычные читатели хотят посмотреть на контент, который Википедия считает лучшим из лучших, то перенаправления типа Хорошие темы , Избранные темы и Хорошие статьи могут быть полезны, но критерии предназначены для тех, кто хочет понять процесс номинации, то есть не для многих. TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 20:58, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Удалить по имени. CNR в Википедию: следует использовать только для тем Википедии, которые часто ищут новички. Это не то. Ca ^{Поговори со мной!}15:35, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить неспецифический термин Википедии. Крауч, Суэйл ( обсуждение ) 18:17, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Избранные и хорошие кандидаты на темы

• Избранные и хорошие кандидаты на темы → Википедия:Избранные и хорошие кандидаты на темы (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Поскольку хорошие номинации на статьи на самом деле не гарантируют WP:CNR , то будет ли то же самое применяться к кандидатам FT и GT? TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 20:44, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Удалить по той же причине, что и вышеуказанную номинацию. Ca ^{Поговори со мной!}15:36, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить неспецифический термин Википедии. Крауч, Суэйл ( обсуждение ) 18:17, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Рубен Аморим

• Рубен Аморим → Рубен Аморим ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]            

Первоначально перенаправлено с Рубена на Рубена в 2012 году с этой редакцией. Сам субъект ранее сегодня заявил, что его имя не имеет знака ударения в интервью (CNN Portugal). Склонен больше полагаться на слово субъекта, а не на непоследовательное написание через источники ФИФА, УЕФА и т. д. SunnyTango ( t • c ) 19:07, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Сохранить Если источники противоречивы в вопросе о том, использовать ли акцент, то неверную версию следует сохранить в качестве перенаправления для помощи читателям этих источников. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback ) 02:04, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Оставьте как указано выше, перенаправления между акцентным/безакцентным написанием невероятно распространены и полезны. Действительно озадачивающая номинация. Гигантский снеговик 11:01, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Возможно, я неправильно понял эту процедуру, как перейти к статье в версии без ударения. Не для того, чтобы исключить Рубена, а для того, чтобы переместить статью в Рубена. Я не думаю, что это «сбивает с толку» больше, чем, возможно, недоразумение в процессе. SunnyTango ( t • c ) 14:32, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Информацию о переименовании (перемещении) статьи см. на странице WP:REQMOVE . SimplyLouis27 ( обсуждение ) 19:26, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Предложенный выше перенос страницы был выполнен. Он был запрошен другим пользователем в Wikipedia:Запрошенные переносы/Технические запросы . Перенаправление Рубен -> Рубен все еще существует и, вероятно, может быть сохранено согласно приведенному выше обсуждению. --- DOOMSDAYER 520 ( ОБСУЖДЕНИЕ | ВКЛАД ) 14:20, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

98 градусов\

• 98 градусов\ → 98 градусов (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Я номинировал это месяц назад, но номинация была удалена Fieari без объяснения причин. Это соответствует Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 30#Various Redirects ending in \ . 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 19:00 , 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Сильное, но не быстрое удаление, учитывая результат предыдущего обсуждения. TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 21:10, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Я удалил его? Если так, то это было совершенно непреднамеренно... может быть, конфликт редактирования? У меня также иногда возникали странные проблемы, когда я нажимал кнопку редактирования раздела, а в редакторе появлялся совершенно другой раздел, так что иногда я сталкиваюсь с некоторой странностью, и из-за этого могут происходить несчастные случаи. Если я намеренно удаляю что-то, я никогда не делаю этого без, по крайней мере, резюме редактирования. У меня вообще нет воспоминаний об этой конкретной номинации. (Пока я здесь, могу также добавить, что у меня нет возражений против удаления этого перенаправления) Fieari ( обсуждение ) 03:23, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Пробуждение драконов

• Пробуждение драконов → Yu-Gi-Oh! ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]            

Вводящий в заблуждение редирект, "пробуждение драконов" не является концепцией, обсуждаемой в целевой общей статье для Yugioh. "Пробуждение", как и "драконы", упоминаются в целевой статье.

Если нет существующего местоположения Yugioh, на которое это может указать, в попытке WP:ATD , это можно легко перенацелить на Waking the Dragon , которая является существующей статьей, и в строке поиска наличие двух в противном случае сбивало бы с толку. Я номинирую здесь вместо того, чтобы смело перенацеливаться, потому что я немного в ударе, и могут быть общие темы, если это все «дуги» Yugioh, как они кажутся, поэтому лучше перечислить их все здесь для уверенности и последовательности. Utopes _{( обсуждение / продолжение )} 08:12, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

• Удалить по имени Veverve ( обсуждение ) 10:34, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Перенаправьте это и серию Waking the Dragons на Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters 4 сезон . Я что-то упускаю, потому что это кажется очевидным: «В Соединенных Штатах сезон транслировался под подзаголовком Waking the Dragons...» Shhhnotsoloud ( обсуждение ) 19:41, 4 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Перечислено повторно для более тщательного обсуждения и более четкого консенсуса.
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• Перенацеливание согласно Shhh, выше. В 4-м сезоне Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters этот текст выделен жирным шрифтом в начале, что делает его ясной и очевидной целью. Fieari ( обсуждение ) 03:26, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Перенаправить на Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters сезон 4 как название английской локализации. -- Lenticel ^{( обсуждение )} 04:33, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Ультраджектин

• Ультраектинское причастие → Утрехтская уния (старокатолическая) (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           
• Ultrajectine → Старая католическая церковь Нидерландов ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]            

Выражение нигде не используется в статьях, поэтому это WP:RSURPRISE . Название "Церковь Утрехта (Ультраектная церковь)" ранее присутствовало в Union of Utrecht (Old Catholic) , но было удалено в 2023 году, поскольку не было поддержано ни одним источником.

«Ultrajectine» — псевдолатинское прилагательное, которое просто означает «Утрехтский» (см.: wikt:Ultraiectinus), и я не нашел ни одного случая использования этого псевдолатинского слова для обозначения города Утрехт .

Поэтому я предлагаю удалить . Veverve ( обсуждение ) 10:29, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Перенаправить на wikt:Ultraiectinus Google Scholar показывает несколько случаев использования этого термина в старых латинских источниках, но очень мало в английских. Я не думаю, что достаточно, чтобы сказать, что это обычно используется для обозначения Утрехтской унии в английском языке, но вполне возможно, что кто-то может столкнуться с этим термином. Перенаправление на Викисловарь кажется здесь лучшим, поскольку он более распространен в латинских источниках. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback ) 20:52, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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Тони ДиДжероламо

• Тони ДиДжероламо → Барт Симпсон ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]            

Нет упоминаний на странице; также как и в списке комиксов The Simpsons . Эта удаленная страница о писателе комиксов перенаправляет сюда, хотя, вероятно, она предназначена для страницы о разделе комиксов франшизы, поскольку она содержит контент о серии комиксов с тем же названием, что и текущая цель. Xeroctic ( обсуждение ) 18:18, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Перейти к списку создателей американских комиксов . Shhhnotsoloud ( обсуждение ) 19:36, 4 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Восстановить и отправить в AFD (или PROD) . Текущая цель явно неуместна, но и список выше тоже, поскольку это навигационный список авторов, о которых у нас есть статьи, а это в настоящее время не так. 35.139.154.158 ( обсуждение ) 16:59, 7 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Перенаправить на Список американских создателей комиксов . WP:BLAR здесь ценен, так как, хотя статья не содержала никаких вторичных источников, я сильно подозреваю, что вторичные источники WP:СУЩЕСТВУЮТ для этого художника, учитывая его подтвержденное портфолио, и поэтому история статьи должна быть сохранена для тех, кто захочет исправить статью. Да, это означает, что ссылка в списке становится циклической, но я не могу придумать ни одной причины, по которой мы хотели бы полностью удалить эту статью и ее историю. Возможно, ее можно преобразовать в мягкую переадресацию, чтобы поощрить восстановление статьи с источниками? Барт Симпсон определенно не является правильной целью, заметьте. Fieari ( talk ) 05:25, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Черновик может быть уместен для этого, но либо у этого парня есть статья в mainspace и он должен быть в списке, либо у него ее нет и он не должен быть. Сохранение записи в списке в качестве циклического перенаправления на статью BLARed не совсем уместно. (У меня действительно нет мнения о фактической значимости, но статья в том виде, в котором она существовала, не имела источников). 35.139.154.158 ( talk ) 13:32, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Перечислено повторно для более тщательного обсуждения и более четкого консенсуса.
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Мохаммед Джафар

• Мохаммед Джафар → Мэр Куимби (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Не упомянуто в статье. Если поискать, то это, похоже, очень кратко используемый фальшивый псевдоним в эпизоде ​​« Свадьба Лизы» (эта сцена происходит в предсказанном будущем и, следовательно, не является частью непрерывности «Симпсонов»). Xeroctic ( обсуждение ) 11:55, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

3.1415926535…

• 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445 9230781640628620899862803482534211706798214808651328230664709384 46095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456 → Pi ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]            

Удалить. Это было создано несколько месяцев назад. Это просто максимальное количество цифр, которое Википедия допускает для заголовка страницы. Это неразумный поисковый запрос, и я бы сказал, что он не соответствует правилу № 8 WP:RFD#DELETE : будучи новым или малоизвестным синонимом, который вряд ли будет полезен. Краткое изложение правок для его создания, которое гласит «255 (максимальное) количество символов. Лол.», также заставляет меня задуматься, не было ли это шуткой (у этого пользователя было что-то вроде «одержимости» ограничением в 255 символов, сравните этот пример ). Renerpho ( обсуждение ) 04:47, 13 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Комментарий : Я не уведомил создателя этого перенаправления, потому что они были забанены на неопределенный срок через неделю после его создания за кукольный театр. Я уведомил 2003 LN6 как единственного другого пользователя, который его отредактировал. Я также упомянул об этом в обсуждении Википедии:Wikipedia records#New longest redirect title , где я изначально узнал об этом. Я считаю, что это должно охватить всех, кто может быть заинтересован в этом перенаправлении. Renerpho ( обсуждение ) 04:52, 13 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Обзор предыдущих обсуждений этого вопроса (до 2018 года) можно найти на Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 October 10#Redirects to pi . С тех пор также была Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 22#3.141592653589... . Соответствующие аргументы также можно найти там. Renerpho ( talk ) 01:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC) [ reply ]

• Keep Harmless, идет именно туда, куда и должен указывать. * Pppery * _{это началось...} 06:08, 13 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить не разумный поисковый термин, созданный носком. Не полезно. Полиаморф ( обсуждение ) 08:44, 13 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Keep . Я утверждал в Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 8 февраля § The Boy Bands Have Won, and All the Copyists and the Tribute Bands and the TV Talent Show Producers Have Won , что в случае, когда полное название превышает 255 символов, «я думаю, разумно сказать, что любое правдоподобное усечение полного названия является допустимым поисковым запросом». Это немного отличается, потому что полная длина рассматриваемой строки, ну, бесконечна, и я бы не поддержал сохранение перенаправлений для каждого из 251 возможных усечений после 3,14. Но кажется разумным разрешить перенаправление для максимально возможного усечения, поддерживаемого MediaWiki. -- Tamzin ^{[ cetacean needed ]} ( they|xe ) 08:57, 13 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  «Правдоподобный» — ключевое слово здесь, и вы не объяснили, почему число из 255 цифр в частности разумно сохранить. То, что это максимум, разрешенный MediaWiki, не делает его правдоподобным поисковым термином. Renerpho ( talk ) 17:16, 14 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить , не является правдоподобным поисковым термином. Graham87 ( обсуждение ) 14:09, 13 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить , вы действительно думаете, что было бы правдоподобно, если бы кто-то ввел всю эту строку, чтобы найти число Пи, когда ему буквально нужно всего лишь вставить «Пи» или «3,14»? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔙𝔙𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( обсуждение ) 15:07, 13 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

  Поправка к голосованию: Я хотел бы отметить, что высказанная позже идея с солью хороша. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( обсуждение ) 15:54, 21 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Сохранить Некоторые читатели могут наткнуться на очень длинную серию цифр и не понять, что это число Пи, поэтому они будут искать его, обрезая по мере необходимости. Ca ^{Поговори со мной!}15:35, 13 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

И где тут "усечение по мере необходимости" ровно на 255 цифрах? Усечение на 256 цифрах приведет к ошибке, а усечение на 254 цифрах приведет к перенаправлению, которого не существует. Renerpho ( talk ) 17:18, 14 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить - бесполезный заголовок для перенаправления. Джей 💬 15:48, 13 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  И ни один аргумент здесь не убедил меня, что это полезно в качестве перенаправления. Этот RfD полезен, потому что нам нужно обсудить экстремально забавные заголовки перенаправления, такие как этот, которые проверяют длину заголовка mediawiki и не имеют ничего общего с полезностью в качестве заголовка перенаправления. Jay 💬 06:57, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Слабо держать недвусмысленно и дешево. Шарлотта ( Королева Червей • говорить ) 19:55, 13 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Следуйте рекомендациям Тамзина. -- T avix ^{( обсуждение )} 19:57, 13 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить как последовательность цифр, которую никто не будет вводить ни в какую поисковую систему. -- Викидим ( обсуждение ) 22:00, 13 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Это не для набора текста, это для копирования и переноса. Если вы вставите 255+ цифр числа Пи в Википедию, оно обрежется до этого перенаправления. -- T avix ^{( обсуждение )} 01:40, 14 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

AFAIK, поисковые системы работают не так. Если ввести больше, чем это точное число цифр, поисковые системы не будут обрезать токен до наших 256 символов и не будут указывать на нашу статью (попробуйте Google). Если поиск выполняется внутри Википедии, длинная подсказка будет работать и выдавать предложение Pi без этого перенаправления (перенаправление будет на самом деле сбивать с толку, поскольку будет отвлекать внимание от фактической статьи). Викидим ( talk ) 06:50, 14 октября 2024 (UTC) [ reply ]

• Keep per Tamzin. Самая длинная технически возможная версия бесконечного числа. Это особенно актуально, поскольку это неповторяющееся число, которое нередко запоминают в виде множества цифр в популярной математической культуре. —  Godsy  ^{( ПРОДОЛЖЕНИЕ} _{ОБСУЖДЕНИЯ )} 22:31, 13 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить слишком долго, чтобы смотреть на цифры. Какой смысл добавлять эти огромные числа цифр, ожидая, что аудитория будет искать число Пи альтернативным способом по тем цифрам, которые они помнят? Если они хотят найти эту математическую константу, разве они не могут просто ввести «Пи» вместо этого? Dedhert.Jr ( talk ) 00:16, 14 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Придерживайтесь Tamzin, Pppery, Tavix и др. и моих аргументов на аналогичном обсуждении, которое состоялось в марте 2021 года . Это недвусмысленно, безвредно и потенциально полезно для людей, ищущих число пи, независимо от того, сколько цифр они вводят. Как утверждает Tamzin выше меня, это правдоподобное усечение полного числа пи (которое имеет тысячи, миллионы, возможно, даже миллиарды цифр), как и все другие перенаправления числа пи, которые я привел в этом обсуждении. С уважением, SONIC 678 01:20, 14 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Единственный способ использовать этот редирект AFAIK — запомнить сотни цифр числа пи и фактически ввести (или вставить) точное количество этих цифр в поисковую систему. Все современные поисковые системы попытаются автоматически заполнить подсказку (та, что в Википедии после ввода 3,141592, определит только число пи и этот странный редирект, поэтому было бы здорово услышать описание сценария, в котором гений, запомнивший все эти цифры (1) не знает, что они принадлежат числу пи и (2) не обращает внимания на предложение поисковой системы. Викидим ( talk ) 06:41, 14 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Сохранить . Безвредный, точный. Steel1943 ( обсуждение ) 02:14, 14 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Сохраняйте технически корректную переадресацию. -- Lenticel ^{( обсуждение )} 05:08, 14 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Вопрос от номинатора : Тем, кто выступает за сохранение, вы говорите, что нам следует сделать перенаправление со всех других возможных длин? Вы понимаете, что это противоречит большинству предыдущих обсуждений, касающихся перенаправлений на усеченные версии числа пи? У нас есть некоторые, например, все до 3,14159265358979323846264338 , но большинство других — включая некоторые, например, 3,14159265358979323846264338327950, который на самом деле упоминается в другой статье и может быть полезным поисковым термином, но был удален согласно R3: Недавно созданный, неправдоподобный перенаправление — отсутствуют. См. также это старое обсуждение удаления и это . Я уверен, что есть и другие; оба они привели к удалению нескольких похожих перенаправлений по той же причине и приведены в качестве примеров.

Если этот аргумент не работает, то у нас должно быть 255 различных перенаправлений, по одному для каждого возможного усечения, плюс примечание на странице политики о том, что такие перенаправления считаются полезными для обсуждения в сообществе. Renerpho ( обсуждение ) 13:55, 14 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Исправление: на самом деле все до 3,1415926535897932384626433832795.

(Оно также было номинировано на удаление , но было сохранено, поскольку 32-значная версия была полезна для плавающей запятой, о которой вы упомянули. Думаю, дополнительный 0 был слишком большим.)

Не уверен, есть ли аналогичный вариант использования для 255 цифр.) ApexParagon ( обсуждение ) 16:18, 14 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Нет, 3.14159265358979323846264338327 не существует с 2011 года, а 3.1415926535897932384626433832 был удален в 2015 году. Renerpho ( обсуждение ) 16:37, 14 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Последнее, конечно, отличается от других, потому что это была статья, а не перенаправление. Она была удалена в соответствии с A7 ( Статья о веб-сайте, блоге, веб-форуме, веб-комиксе, подкасте, браузерной игре или подобном веб-контенте, который достоверно не указывает на важность или значимость темы ), что является причиной, по которой я бы не подумал об этом. Можно было бы поспорить, следовало ли превратить ее в перенаправление в то время. Я бы сказал нет, по тем же причинам, по которым следует удалить другие, но вы могли бы . Renerpho ( обсуждение ) 16:49, 14 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Из этого не следует, что если мы не удаляем перенаправление определенного характера, то мы должны создавать другие такого же характера или даже поощрять или даже не препятствовать таким созданиям. В статьях эти три линии настолько близки, что для большинства людей и большинства целей они сливаются в одну. Перенаправления отличаются тем, что они могут быть безвредными, они не рекламируют свое присутствие, как статьи, и они очень дешевы во всех ресурсах, особенно в ресурсах редактора (если только их не номинируют на удаление). Всего наилучшего: Rich Farmbrough 20:51, 18 октября 2024 (UTC).[ отвечать ]

• Keep per Tamzin. Не все сокращения являются правдоподобными поисковыми терминами, но это потому, что оно поймает всех, кто использует и его, и любые более длинные заголовки. Это также поможет поисковым системам (внутренним и внешним) направлять людей, использующих немного более короткие сокращения, к статье, которую они хотят прочитать. Thryduulf ( talk ) 14:38, 14 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить и посолить как неправдоподобные и согласно Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 22#3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706 . Очевидно, что никто не будет вводить это ни для чего, кроме новизны (меня не убедил аргумент «копировать-вставить», подробнее об этом ниже), и такие заголовки вызывают больше проблем и обсуждений, чем пользы, и все это ради статьи из двух символов. Мы не позволили бы e (число) или квадратному корню из 3 иметь такие типы заголовков, и все эти цифры не обсуждаются в Pi , что делает полную длину этого заголовка необсуждаемой темой на целевой странице. У нас нет никаких материалов в Википедии о 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844-(произвольный пробел)-6095505822317253594081284811174502841027019385211055596446229489549303819644288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091456. Это число нигде не встречается в Википедии. Наоборот, у нас есть статья о математической константе, и эта константа имеет это значение в двести пятьдесят пять значащих цифр. По сути, это перенаправление вводит в заблуждение, потому что все эти цифры, включенные в поисковый запрос, не перечислены в целевом адресе, поэтому люди, которые хотят прочитать обо всех введенных ими цифрах, не смогут этого сделать. Тесты копирования-вставки в строку поиска у меня не работают, так как строка поиска не принимает ничего длиннее 255, выдает ошибку MediaWiki и/или «нет результатов, соответствующих запросу». Но Google принимает более 255 символов и на самом деле ИМЕЕТ все цифры, перечисленные на различных сайтах о числе пи. так что если «кто-то видит это без контекста», Google, похоже, лучший вариант. Перенаправление Википедии не на 254, не на 256, а именно на 255 цифр неупомянутого материала не кажется полезным или полезным, и не реалистичным для чтения статьи Википедии о числе пи . Utopes _{( обсуждение / продолжение )} 15:00, 14 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить за утопы. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 15:23, 14 октября 2024 г. (UTC) [ ответ ]

Оставьте - это, очевидно, правильная цель, и это правдоподобное перенаправление (кто-то, кто видит, что число пи записано таким образом, и копирует столько, сколько позволяет Википедия в строке поиска). Остановитесь и подумайте: «реалистично, если пользователь ввел это в строку поиска и нажал Enter, куда он должен пойти?» Неужели избиратели за удаление серьезно думают, что страница «0 результатов поиска» является лучшей целью для этого, чем Пи ? BugGhost 🦗👻 23:45, 14 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Это аргумент соломенного чучела, потому что "0 результатов поиска" — это не то, о чем идет речь. Вы на самом деле пробовали? Если пользователь копирует/вставляет 254 цифры, перенаправление ему не поможет, но автозаполнение выдает ему Пи, даже если мы удалим перенаправление (они всегда получают автозаполнение до 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751 , что не вызывает сомнений). А если они копируют/вставляют 256 или больше (что они, безусловно, могут сделать), они также получат автозаполнение для Пи — если только они на самом деле не нажмут поиск, в этом случае они получат сообщение об ошибке. Ни в одном из этих случаев перенаправление не поможет. Renerpho ( talk ) 00:48, 15 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Поправка (признаю, что я был недостаточно внимателен, когда сам это проверял): если вы ищете от 256 до 300 цифр, вы просто ничего не найдете (ни текущее перенаправление, ни Pi). Только когда вы вводите 301 или более цифр, вы получаете сообщение об ошибке. Сравните H:S и WP:TITLELENGTH . Renerpho ( talk ) 11:05, 18 октября 2024 (UTC) [ reply ]

• Keep - Это перенаправление - это не просто это перенаправление, это это И ВСЕ ДЛИННЕЕ. Это правдоподобно, так как они могли бы вставить любое большее количество цифр и все равно получить это перенаправление. Однозначно точная цель. Безвредно. WP:CHEAP . Для справки, я бы не возражал, если бы буквально каждое количество цифр между этим и 3.14 также было перенаправлением, но это уже другой разговор. Fieari ( talk ) 01:18, 15 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  "Они могли бы вставить большее количество цифр и все равно получить это перенаправление" -- это неправда. Вставка чего-либо большего и нажатие "поиска" приводит к ошибке, с этим перенаправлением или без него. Renerpho ( talk ) 01:24, 15 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  И для полноты, использование меньшего количества цифр (например, 254) также не помогает этому перенаправлению. Нажатие «поиск» не находит статью, но автодополнение Википедии предложит 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751 , что приведет их к правильной цели. Рассматриваемое перенаправление полезно только в том случае, если пользователи вставляют именно это количество цифр . Renerpho ( talk ) 01:28, 15 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Renerpho, этот редирект занимает несколько байтов и, очевидно, направляется в нужное место. Тот факт, что он «полезен только», если пользователь вводит что-то нестандартное, совершенно нормален, в этом и заключается суть редиректов. По моим подсчетам, вы оставили 10 комментариев к 23 правкам этого RFD — возможно, будет полезно сделать шаг назад , результат этого не имеет большого значения в более широкой схеме вещей. BugGhost 🦗👻 07:24, 15 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  В комментарии, на который отвечал Renerpho, говорится, что эта переадресация работает для 255 символов и "ВСЕХ ДЛИННЕЕ [sic]"; заглавные буквы не мои. Сила от !vote, похоже, вытекает из функциональности (>255). Затем Renerpho говорит, что на самом деле это не так, и что переадресация работает только при 255 цифрах точно, или (=255). (Действительно, я пришел к такому же выводу в результате своих тестов). Затем вы говорите, что это "совершенно нормально", по-видимому, соглашаясь со статусом (=255), что совершенно отличается от того, что Fieari заявил в своем !keep. Где же стержень ворот? Это !keept для инкапсуляции всего, что больше >255, или точно =255? Потому что меня заставили поверить в первое, как в единственную причину, по которой это можно было бы считать исключительным и не встретить огненную судьбу вместе с остальными чрезмерно длинными «точными совпадениями цифр», такими как этот (удалено) (=28) и этот (удалено) (=35) и этот (пример разумной длины) (=12) и этот (быстро удалено) (=208) и этот (быстро удалено) (=29) и этот (удалено) (=98) . Мы удалили их , потому что цифры числа пи не перечислены на странице. Это указывало на «консенсус по ограничению» их, но не на правило, выходящее за рамки существующего выброса 3,1415926535897932384626433832795 . Это не может быть «очевидно направлено в нужное место», если ужасно длинные перенаправления pi обсуждались до тошноты и исторически удалялись со 100% уверенностью @RfD каждый год с 2011 года. {{cn}} Utopes _{( обсуждение / продолжение )} 18:37, 15 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  @ Utopes : Консенсус может меняться, конечно, и в этом нет ничего плохого. Прямо сейчас небольшое большинство голосов в пользу сохранения, и заявление о консенсусе для его удаления выглядит иллюзорным на данном этапе. Я чувствую, что это действительно открывает ящик Пандоры . Если мы сохраним это, то нам следует тщательно подумать о том, как мы ограничим такие перенаправления в будущем. Здесь есть несколько серьезных голосов, остающихся не оспоренными большинством других голосующих за сохранение, за создание перенаправлений буквально на все возможные усечения. Это было бы огромным изменением в политике. Но даже если мы разрешим перенаправление только с 255 цифрами в качестве особого исключения (потому что это считается полезным по какой-то причине, даже если основано на неправильном представлении о том, как работает функция поиска), почему только для числа Пи? А как насчет любого другого заметного действительного числа? Renerpho ( обсуждение ) 08:09, 18 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  @ Renerpho : Я не уверен, что вы имеете в виду, если вы отвечаете мне, я !голосую за удаление. Я полностью согласен с тем, откуда вы исходите. Создание перенаправления для каждого отдельного количества цифр для конкретного только числа пи, по моему мнению, неразумно и непрактично. Utopes _{( обсуждение / продолжение )} 08:16, 18 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  @ Utopes : Я действительно собирался ответить вам. Аргумент о том, что это было исторически удалено со 100% уверенностью, на самом деле не имеет значения, если консенсус с тех пор изменился. Я пытаюсь понять последствия того, что мы здесь делаем, и если Bugghost прав, что я слишком остро реагирую. Я отошел на три дня, и то, что происходит, выглядит так же неправильно, как и тогда, когда я ушел. Я не планирую делать много дальнейших комментариев в этом обсуждении. BugGhost прав, что это не стоит большого шума в любом случае. Тем не менее, я пытаюсь понять, откуда мы исходим с серьезными аргументами в пользу сохранения (это не вопрос к вам, Utopes, просто то, что я задаю себе). Renerpho ( обсуждение ) 08:41, 18 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Я согласен, что консенсус может измениться. Это было просто интересно, потому что, похоже, люди, которые !keeping, на самом деле не пробовали вводить больше 255 цифр (это не работает). Так что единственный способ, которым это работает, — это ровно 255 цифр. Но мы удалили ровно 98 цифр и много других, исторически. Так что если предположение заключается в том, что мы сохраняем это, потому что «ровно 255 цифр правдоподобны», мой вопрос к !keepers: «что делает ровно 255 цифр более правдоподобными, чем ровно 98 цифр», которые были удалены. Потому что тот факт, что MediaWiki предотвращает вещи больше 255, является чистым совпадением, а не чем-то, что случайный читатель мог бы рассмотреть , когда начинает свой квест по вводу 255 цифр и тут же останавливается. И затем мы делаем это для каждого числа с повторяющимися десятичными знаками? 0,999 ? 1,00000 и 255 нулей? Потому что 1.0 перенаправляет на 1, а это целое число. За последние 14 лет кажется, что любое количество десятичных знаков после 30 рассматривается как совершенно неправдоподобное. Но консенсус может измениться! Поэтому мне интересно, что именно изменилось, где два года назад =98 цифр (ни больше, ни меньше) было непостижимо, а =255 цифр (ни больше, ни меньше) — это нормально. Ну что ж. Utopes _{( обсуждение / продолжение )} 09:02, 18 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Пожалуйста, дайте мне знать поисковую систему, которую вы пробовали с большим количеством цифр. Я пробовал довольно много, и не получил описанных вами результатов. Викидим ( talk ) 01:25, 15 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить за Utopes и других. Да ладно, люди, это как раз тот тип бесполезных вещей, для которых подходит WP:PANDORA . И для всех вас, хранителей, почему Pi ? Почему не Chronology of computing of π или Approximations of π вместо этого? Разве тот, кто вставляет так много цифр, не будет более заинтересован в вычислительных аспектах генерации этих цифр, а не в общей статье о самом числе? 35.139.154.158 ( talk ) 05:21, 15 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Эти цели будут WP:ASTONISH . Если пользователь ищет десятичную версию числа Пи (независимо от количества цифр), то целью должно быть Пи ; мы не должны предполагать, что они предпочтут более нишевую статью. BugGhost 🦗👻 07:35, 15 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Нет, целью не должно быть « ничто» , потому что никто не будет искать ровно 255 цифр, как уже указывали другие. 35.139.154.158 ( обсуждение ) 07:55, 15 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Я должен согласиться с @ Utopes и сказать удалить и соль на том основании, что это перенаправление чрезмерно и необоснованно большое. Ураган Клайд 🌀 ^{моя страница обсуждения!} 16:07, 15 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Сохранить по предыдущим причинам. Удаление перенаправления обойдется дороже с точки зрения пропускной способности, так как вероятность того, что кто-то действительно может им воспользоваться, очень мала. Не проблематично, как оппозиция WP:COSTLY . 2003 LN 6 17:06, 16 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Удалить . Хотя 255 символов могут быть пределом, я считаю маловероятным, что кто-то собирается вводить все 255 символов (или даже копировать и вставлять 255 символов; откуда они вообще возьмут 255 символов? Я бы поспорил за сохранение, если бы ограничение строки поиска составляло 255 символов, но это не так). Procyon117 ( обсуждение ) 10:20, 18 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

А каков лимит строки поиска? (300, а не 255; 255, я думаю, это лимит длины заголовков статей.) Renerpho ( обс .) 10:33, 18 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Не оставляйте абсолютно никаких политических причин для удаления. Это ни в коем случае не ново и не непонятно. Это очень дешевый способ доставить людей в нужное место по сравнению со стоимостью обсуждения этого вопроса. Всего наилучшего: Rich Farmbrough 20:44, 18 октября 2024 (UTC).[ отвечать ]

• Удалите это слишком неправдоподобное перенаправление, и числа слишком длинные для 255 цифр на данный момент по мнению Utopes и других сторонников. Поэтому они будут применяться как WP:COSTLY , WP:PANDORA и WP:RFD#D8 . ✴️Icarus The Astrologer✴️ 02:20, 20 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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Удалить . Перенаправления дешевы, но это просто неправдоподобно. TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 20:48, 20 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить и соль слишком долго неправдоподобно и что может сбить с толку бесконечное количество из 255 цифр до сих пор согласно Utopes , упомянутым ранее? По моему мнению, это будет применяться для удаления как WP:COSTLY , WP:PANDORA и WP:RFD#D8 . ✴️Icarus The Astrologer✴️ 21:42, 20 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  В дополнение к теме двойного голосования я также хотел бы отметить, что WP:PANDORA не следует использовать, как и WP:GETBACKINTHERE . У этого редиректа полно проблем с правдоподобностью без Pandora, поверьте мне. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔙𝔙𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( talk ) 15:56, 21 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Я пошел дальше и вычеркнул это как двойное голосование. Однако, пожалуйста, не говорите людям не ссылаться на PANDORA. Я и многие другие находим это весьма убедительным и ценным эссе. То, что вам это не нравится, не означает, что вы должны говорить другим людям не использовать это. 35.139.154.158 ( talk ) 22:14, 22 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Есть заметная разница между тем, чтобы просто сказать людям, что WP:IDONTLIKEIT , и дать кому-то (что я считаю) хорошо написанное, подробное описание того, что PANDORA делает неправильно и почему этого следует избегать в обсуждениях RfD. Я рекомендую прочитать WP:GETBACKINTHERE для этого подробного объяснения, я вложил в него немало труда ^^ 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔫�🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( обсуждение ) 22:38, 22 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

  Я прочитал это, и, честно говоря, это довольно ужасно. 35.139.154.158 ( обсуждение ) 23:50, 22 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

  ...Ну, я не смогу улучшить его, если вы не скажете мне, что вам в нем не нравится, лол. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( обсуждение ) 00:10, 23 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

  @ Lunamann : Не лучше ли было бы провести централизованное обсуждение этого вопроса (на странице обсуждения эссе или на странице обсуждения Википедии: Перенаправления для обсуждения ), а не поднимать этот вопрос в каждом RfD, где упоминается WP: PANDORA?[8] Renerpho ( обсуждение ) 00:52, 23 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Я имею в виду. Если вы имеете в виду обсуждение WP:GETBACKINTHERE и способов его улучшения, я совершенно не против, если кто-то зайдет на Wikipedia_talk:Please,_put_Pandora_back_in_the_box и завяжет разговор. Я думаю, что последний раз кто-то так делал, когда у меня там был обширный разговор в марте, и этого было достаточно, чтобы я вычеркнул целый раздел, потому что я не мог придумать, как еще порадовать людей в этом обсуждении, лол

  Если вы говорите, что мне следует прекратить упоминать WP:GETBACKINTHERE , когда люди упоминают WP:PANDORA ... Я имею в виду, что единственная причина, по которой я написал WP:GETBACKINTHERE, заключалась в том, чтобы собрать и сжать аргументы против Pandora, потому что... ну, до того, как я написал статью, люди вели длинные аргументы об этом, и это становилось утомительным и однообразным.

  Если вы говорите, что нам следует обсудить, возможно, внесение некоторых изменений в WP:PANDORA , чтобы аргументы в WP:GETBACKINTHERE больше не применялись? Да! Пожалуйста! Я бы с удовольствием поговорил об этом! Я хотел бы отметить, что раздел о Pandora уже существует на Wikipedia talk:Redirects are costly#Pandora's box , но последний раз кто-то отвечал на этот раздел был... в марте прошлого года, когда я опубликовал там пост, до того как написал WP:GETBACKINTHERE . 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( обсуждение ) 01:39, 23 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  «Should stop mentioning» звучит очень похоже на «shut up». Я не это имел в виду. Вы утверждаете, что WP:PANDORA противоречит некоторым основным принципам. Может быть, это правда. Проводился ли когда-нибудь опрос о том, совместимо ли какое-либо из двух эссе с установленной политикой? Мне кажется, что такое обсуждение может быть более плодотворным, чем продолжать кричать в пустоту. Renerpho ( talk ) 02:28, 23 октября 2024 (UTC) [ reply ]

  Я имею в виду. Я не думаю, что было? Я не знаю, где его держать, хотя.

  Если не считать обсуждение в Википедии: Перенаправления обходятся дорого # ящик Пандоры , который... за ПЯТЬ ЛЕТ, пока это обсуждение не было закрыто должным образом, собрал четыре голоса «за» и шесть «удалить» !. Будет ли это считаться достаточным для принятия мер...? 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( обсуждение ) 02:56, 23 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Я бы посчитал это, да! Но я не вижу консенсуса в этой дискуссии, хотя она продолжается с 2019 года (если что, то есть консенсус о том, чтобы переписать WP:PANDORA , но нет согласия, как именно). Это тот тип дискуссии, который продолжается и продолжается, но ничего не происходит.

  Я уже предложил Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wikipedia policies and guidelines , именно по этой причине. Может быть, это тот случай, когда необходим формальный RfC? Ваше эссе вполне может послужить основой для того, что должно быть рассмотрено. (Обязательно прочитайте примеры хороших вопросов/плохих вопросов на WP:RFCBRIEF .) Renerpho ( talk ) 03:55, 23 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  @ Icarus58 вы уже !проголосовали. Пожалуйста, сделайте один из ваших !голосов комментарием или вычеркните его. Спасибо, Cremastra ( u — c ) 22:02, 20 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  @ Icarus58 : Просто для ясности, не могли бы вы уточнить, голосуете ли вы за соль или нет? Renerpho ( обсуждение ) 23:15, 22 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Замечу, что Икар не был тем, кто вычеркнул этот голос, а был редактор IP, 35.139.154.158 ( я пошел дальше и вычеркнул это как двойной голос ). Учитывая, что Икар проголосовал за «Удалить» и «Удалить и добавить соль», я предполагаю, что если Икар не выступит и не скажет обратного, он захочет, чтобы его голос был засчитан как «Удалить и добавить соль».

  Если только Икар и IP не одно и то же. Надеюсь, что нет... 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( talk ) 00:45, 23 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Похоже, они забыли войти в систему? Renerpho ( обсуждение ) 00:54, 23 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Я думаю, что IP только что совершил смелый поступок. Cremastra ( u — c ) 12:35, 23 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  @ Lunamann , у вас нет доказательств подозрительного пользователя IP 35.139.154.158, связанного с моей учетной записью. Похоже, вы нарушите как WP:AGF и WP:BITE . Я просто остался для входа, но в конце концов потратил все свои дни — моя учетная запись немедленно выходила из системы, прежде чем она немедленно автоматически перезагружалась. Извините за мое терпение. ✴️Icarus The Astrologer✴️ 11:38, 24 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Мне очень жаль, как вам, так и пользователю IP. Мои «доказательства» в основном касались только одного инцидента, когда указанный пользователь IP вычеркнул один из ваших голосов; Кремастра был прав в том, что пользователь IP почти наверняка просто пытался быть смелым. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔫�🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( talk ) 15:16, 24 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Я также хотел бы извиниться за то, что пришел к такому же выводу. Renerpho ( talk ) 04:27, 26 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить и добавить соль Кто, черт возьми, будет вводить 255 цифр числа Пи? Я вообще не понимаю, как, черт возьми, перенаправление может быть правдоподобным. Чтобы отвадить людей от тестирования ограничений по количеству символов, может также понадобиться дополнительная соль. ABG ( Обсуждение/Сообщение об ошибках здесь ) 05:17, 21 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Как номинант, я хотел бы изменить свой первоначальный голос за удаление ! и сказать, что соль , вероятно, хорошая идея. Renerpho ( обсуждение ) 05:47, 21 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Комментарий – Я хочу еще раз выразить свою поддержку удалению и засолке. Мой !голос выше. Ураган Клайд 🌀 ^{моя страница обсуждения!} 16:11, 21 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить — не является правдоподобным поисковым термином и уже исключен предыдущими обсуждениями. Nosferattus ( обсуждение ) 16:46, 21 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Сохраняйте , безвредный и точный ‹ hamster717🐉 › ^{( обсуждайте что угодно!🐹✈️ • мой вклад🌌🌠 )} 15:45, 23 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

@ Hamster717 , большинство редакторов просят удалить длинное число с точки зрения приближения, равного числу пи. Но можете ли вы пояснить свое доказательство? Кажется, что WP:CHEAP не рекомендуется, так как безвреден. ✴️Icarus The Astrologer✴️ 11:32, 24 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить - Я колебался по этому поводу, но в конечном итоге это просто неправдоподобно, что кто-то будет искать именно столько цифр числа пи. И да, это довольно простой пример WP:Pandora . FOARP ( обсуждение ) 07:22, 25 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]
• Сохраните : безвредно и недвусмысленно. Удаление ради удаления. C F A 💬 00:45, 29 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить и посолить : Помимо своей бессмысленности, ненужные перенаправления не совсем безвредны (и нам следует прекратить использовать безвредность в качестве обоснования):
  1. Мне периодически приходится искать все случаи использования перенаправлений на статью, чтобы выполнить связанную с этим очистку, а наличие множества таких перенаправлений делает эту работу мучительно утомительной.
  2. Если существуют перенаправления для орфографических ошибок или других устаревших версий термина, это скрывает непреднамеренные орфографические ошибки редакторов, о которых они (или другие) обычно узнают с помощью красной ссылки.
  3. Поисковая подсказка WP уже работает, предлагая статьи по схожести написания, поэтому нам даже не нужно преимущество поиска в виде перенаправлений второстепенных вариантов. — Quondum 14:32, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Комментарий от номинатора Если требуется больше информации, я уверен, что это привлечет больше участников, если будет повторно выставлено. Я оставляю это решение кому-то другому. Renerpho ( обсуждение ) 03:56, 6 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

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• Удалить . Хотя WP:CHEAP , в этом нет никакой необходимости, никто не будет искать это в Википедии ровно по 255 символам. Мое настоящее имя ( 💬плюсы · 📜минусы ) 20:54, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Keep pi входит в очень небольшой набор таких чисел, которые кто-то может правдоподобно видеть/знать/иметь представление об этом количестве цифр; единственный вред в сохранении — это то, что раскрывающийся список поиска выглядит немного глупо из-за этого, но см. первый пункт в моем списке, но я думаю, что из-за его истории и последовательного охвата он на самом деле является положительным. С точки зрения того, что это вводит в заблуждение, потому что у нас нет охвата, поскольку точная строка не включена, это неправда, я не думаю. Это очевидно из статьи о pi, которая включает более короткий префикс и говорит о природе pi и его цифр. Так же, как общие синонимы не должны быть буквально в тексте, получение статьи дает понять, что это такое. (Я бы также поддержал ретаргетинг на Piphilology , но это вряд ли достигнет консенсуса.) Skynxnex ( обсуждение ) 01:46, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить по Myrealnamm. Если я перейду к [9] (это перенаправление плюс одна цифра) и получу MediaWiki:Title-invalid-too-long , я узнаю, что этот URL слишком длинный, потому что максимум составляет 255 байт, но сообщение не говорит мне, какова длина моего текущего URL. Как я должен узнать, сколько символов удалить? Я серьезно сомневаюсь, что многие люди знают число пи с точностью до 253 знаков после запятой (255 минус «3.»), поэтому в основном никто не будет вводить 3.14159...712019091456, будь то путем ввода последовательности цифр или путем копирования/вставки ее в URL, или путем копирования/вставки ее в поле поиска. Это отличается от цитируемых The Boy Bands Have Won или When the Pawn... (та же ситуация), потому что оба они являются официальными названиями с ограниченным количеством символов; в худшем случае вы просто вводите или вставляете весь заголовок и удаляете буквы, пока не достигнете максимального количества символов, но поскольку число пи является иррациональным, в этом смысле буквально не существует «полного заголовка», и тот, кто ищет по головокружительному количеству цифр, вряд ли будет искать количество, которое достаточно мало, чтобы его можно было сократить до максимума MediaWiki, прежде чем ищущий устанет и сдастся. Nyttend ( обсуждение ) 23:46, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Кандидаты на избранные статьи

• Кандидаты на избранные статьи → English Wikipedia#WikiProjects и оценка ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]            

Процесс не упоминается в статье. QuicoleJR ( обсуждение ) 17:56, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

я имею в виду... wp:fanom тут как тут... все равно проголосую за слабое удаление , как "не на правдоподобной стороне xnrs" cogsan _{(пилите меня) (преследуйте меня)} 18:50, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить по имени Veverve ( обсуждение ) 10:45, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Комментарий: Это было перенаправление на Wikipedia:Избранные статьи-кандидаты и согласно этому запросу на разработку , оно было перенаправлено на английскую Wikipedia#Wikiprojects, и оценки важности и качества статей , предыдущий заголовок раздела текущей цели. Джей 💬 23:22, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Перенаправьте обратно на Wikipedia:Избранные статьи-кандидаты , так как это, несомненно, то, что ищет тот, кто ищет это. – Майкл Аурел ( обсуждение ) 04:32, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  ...и судя по тому, что люди, похоже, его используют. [10] – Майкл Аурел ( обсуждение ) 04:59, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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• Retarget , по словам Майкла Аурела. Я не понимаю логику, изложенную Эмори в RfD 2019 года , но мне было бы интересно услышать, как Эмори объяснит ее еще раз. Renerpho ( talk ) 08:54, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Концепция «избранной статьи» обсуждается в английской Wikipedia#WikiProjects and assessment , так почему бы не перенаправить ее туда? XNR следует отговаривать, и в этом разделе есть множество ссылок на контент FA википространства. Не могу сказать, что я чувствую себя очень уверенно, но я в целом считаю, что у нас есть контент о FA в статье, поэтому мы должны указать это там, чтобы сохранить его. ~ Amory ( u • t • c ) 11:44, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Спасибо , Эмори ! Теперь я понимаю этот аргумент гораздо лучше. Я все еще считаю его неправдоподобным. Концепция «кандидата(ов)» или номинации на самом деле не обсуждается в английской Wikipedia#WikiProjects и оценках ; и есть существенная разница между избранными статьями и избранными кандидатами на статьи . Renerpho ( обсуждение ) 14:43, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Рецессия конца нулевых

• Рецессия конца нулевых → Великая рецессия (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Неоднозначно с Panic of 1907 и, возможно, Panic of 1901 (в зависимости от определения слова «поздно»), поскольку перенаправление не проясняет, к какому столетию оно относится. Удалить. Steel1943 ( обсуждение ) 16:53, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить по имени Veverve ( обсуждение ) 10:47, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Сохраните и добавьте заметку в шапке. Почти 100% результатов поиска Google по точной фразе возвращают результаты, связанные с целью, так что на практике это далеко не так неоднозначно, как кажется в теории. Thryduulf ( обсуждение ) 11:57, 7 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  " ...в теории "? Буквальное объяснение того, как что-то неоднозначно, и предоставление примеров — это не теория, это факт. Steel1943 ( обсуждение ) 06:19, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Что-то неоднозначно в теории, если простое прочтение слов может относиться к нескольким вещам. На практике это неоднозначно только в том случае, если люди используют эти слова для обозначения нескольких разных вещей. Только последнее имеет значение для наших целей, и люди не используют эти слова для обозначения вещей, отличных от текущей цели, даже если теоретически могли бы. Thryduulf ( talk ) 20:22, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  ...Я думаю, что вы путаете понятия неоднозначности и WP:PRIMARYTOPIC друг с другом...? Steel1943 ( обсуждение ) 20:36, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Они связаны. Когда что-то используется только для одного из нескольких теоретически возможных значений, это значение по определению является первичным, но может быть и первичная тема, когда используются несколько значений. Однако в настоящих обстоятельствах, хотите ли вы сказать, что текущее использование является первичной темой или текущее использование однозначно на практике, результат с точки зрения перенаправления тот же. Thryduulf ( talk ) 22:40, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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• Keep Мои поиски дали те же результаты, что и у Thryduulf. Я не могу найти доказательств того, что эта фраза на самом деле используется для обозначения паники двадцатого века, упомянутой номинатором. - Presidentman talk · contribs ( Talkback ) 14:52, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Хаскелл Харр

Закрытое обсуждение , см. полное обсуждение . Результат: сохранить

Клэр Миллер

• Клэр Миллер → Spy School (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Это вымышленный персонаж из фильма 2008 года — не вижу смысла в переадресации и путаю с другой Клэр Миллер (без артикля пока). Laterthanyouthink ( обсуждение ) 05:48, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Перенаправить на Клэр Рочестер как {{ R от замужней фамилии }} -- есть несколько персонажей с этим именем без артиклей персонажей, находящихся в статьях фильма, но у этого человека также есть это имя и статья. Персонаж Школы шпионов даже не упоминается в кратком содержании фильма. -- 65.92.246.77 ( обсуждение ) 07:08, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

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Комментарий о перераспределении:Мысли о перенаправлении наКлэр Рочестер?
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Президент Испании

• Президент Испании → Президент Республики (Испания) ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]            

Устранить неоднозначность . Я не понимаю, почему историческая роль должна иметь приоритет над этим термином, а не над нынешней должностью главы правительства ( премьер-министр Испании ), официально именуемой «президентом». — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung , mello hi! ( До свидания! ) 05:36, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Устранение неоднозначности по имени. Обычно я бы сказал «используйте тот, который является официальным титулом», но оба они являются официальными титулами. Когда политический титул мирового уровня — «X», кажется немного нелепым, что «X» перенаправляет куда-то еще. Я мог бы быть убежден, что где-то существует особая ситуация, но президент республики 1930-х годов не является такой ситуацией. Но, поскольку почти никто не называет премьер-министра «президентом» по-английски, и поскольку президента 1930-х годов разумно было бы так называть, не кажется разумным перенаправлять это на статью о премьер-министре. Nyttend ( talk ) 23:53, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Асмодель

• Asmodel → Список персонажей DC Comics: A#Asmodel ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]            

Это было скрыто Quindraco . Когда я провел расследование, я понял, почему. «Asmodel» был удален из списка персонажей DC Comics: A , тем самым нарушив перенаправление. Это было, если бы Asmodel, который, по-видимому, является десятифутовым ангелом/дьяволом, просто исчез из существования. Я представляю, что это было бы трудно сделать любому десятифутовому существу. Я мечтаю о лошадях (Следы копыт) (Ржание на меня) 04:28, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Шаблон:Пожалуйста, прекратите движение

• Шаблон:Пожалуйста, прекратите перемещение → Шаблон:Uw-move3 (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

От редактора, создавшего WPT:NFCC , я думаю, что единственные пользователи, которые будут использовать перенаправление шаблона, — это редакторы, которые используют шаблоны, и они будут более чем знакомы со своими именами, а не с фразой «Пожалуйста, прекратите двигаться». Это могло бы быть приемлемым, если бы это было обращено к читателям, но большинство читателей не знают о существовании шаблонов, не говоря уже о том, чтобы искать какой-то конкретный. L iz ^{Читать! Говорить!} 01:41, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

После публикации этого сообщения я получил красное оповещение об этой записи, поскольку она включала перенаправление шаблона. Но я думаю, что это обсуждение должно происходить здесь, а не на TFD. L iz ^{Читать! Обсуждать!} 01:43, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить по имени, и потому что «пожалуйста, прекратите перемещение» звучит скорее как просьба к вселенной остановить перемещение страницы, чем как предупреждение кому-то прекратить перемещение страниц (и нет никаких очевидных причин, по которым он должен использовать предупреждение уровня 3 именно в любом случае). 35.139.154.158 ( обсуждение ) 15:51, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

  Да, я не понимаю, почему уровень 3, если его оставить, то, вероятно, его следует перенести в Template:Uw-move1 , но его, вероятно, можно просто удалить. Crouch, Swale ( обсуждение ) 18:20, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Комментарий . Я бы предпочел, чтобы это обсуждалось на TFD, потому что обоснование удаления для перенаправлений сильно отличается от обоснования шаблонов. Что касается REDIRECT, это не кажется вредным, вводящим в заблуждение или двусмысленным, что обычно по умолчанию сохраняет его, предполагая, что он полезен кому-то или может быть потенциально полезен кому-то. Но, полагаю, я мог бы также сказать, что было бы также безвредно удалить его, поскольку он, по-видимому, нигде не используется активно в данный момент... если только тот, кто его использует, всегда не использует subst. Но опять же, в обосновании перенаправления , зачем его удалять? Fieari ( talk ) 03:55, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  WP:TFD#NOT специально говорит не перечислять перенаправления шаблонов в TFD и вместо этого использовать RFD. 35.139.154.158 ( обсуждение ) 15:31, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить . Это перенаправление кажется двусмысленным с Template:Uw-move2 , который также начинается со слова «пожалуйста». Также per nom. – Michael Aurel ( talk ) 00:42, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить Я пытался придумать причину, по которой это должно привести именно к uw-move3. Я не могу ее найти. Просматривая Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace#Multi-level templates , все записи в этой таблице имеют ссылки с заголовками . Например, uw-vandalism3 называется "Пожалуйста, прекратите вандализм", uw-delete3 - "Пожалуйста, прекратите удалять контент" и т. д. Я не знаю, должны ли быть перенаправления с такими именами (вероятно, нет; и их нет). Но uw-move3 - это "Пожалуйста, прекратите перемещать страницы", а не "Пожалуйста, прекратите перемещать", так что даже этого нет... Renerpho ( talk ) 14:31, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

КитайФайл

• ChinaFile → Asia Society (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

В целевой статье нет упоминания о "файле". Был создан с редактированием резюме "веб-сайт", но это не учтено в целевой статье. Веб-сайт, который указан для Asia Society, - asiasociety.org. Без какого-либо контекста это перенаправление бесполезно и вводит в заблуждение, поскольку людям, которые ищут этот термин, не предоставляется контекст, почему они оказались здесь. Может быть, читатель искал файл о Китае? В настоящее время ответов нет. Utopes _{( обсуждение / продолжение )} 01:08, 26 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

ChinaFile — это интернет-журнал, издаваемый Азиатским обществом. (См. https://asiasociety.org/center-us-china-relations/chinafile) W9793 ( обсуждение ) 03:29, 26 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Журнал сейчас упоминается в начале, но, вероятно, было бы полезно предоставить дополнительный контекст позже в статье, возможно, в разделе «Функции». Recon rabbit 22:02, 26 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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Сохранить. Упоминания в статье достаточно для поддержки перенаправления; хотя некоторая дополнительная информация о ChinaFile может быть полезной, насколько мы здесь, в RfD, это правильная цель. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( обсуждение ) 06:26, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

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Следуйте WP :HEY . -1ctinus📝 🗨 00:44, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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Фпун

• Fpoon → Spork (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Это терминология, которая была создана в первую очередь из скетча Key & Peele . Поиск "fpoon" выводит исключительно видео, связанные с K&P, и городской словарь, цитирующий их. Хотя это может быть портманто "fork" и "spoon", это не широко принятый или цитируемый синоним, и не упоминается в цели. Распространенное и не вызывающее путаницы название для этого предмета - "spork"; отсутствие просмотров страниц указывает на то, что "fpoon" может быть новым и малоизвестным синонимом для предмета и, вероятно, запутает читателей. Тем более, что "fpoon" не является настоящим словом или особенно грамматически правильным. Люди, которые используют этот термин, вполне могут искать скетч K&P о континентальном завтраке, lol. Utopes _{( talk / cont )} 08:18, 28 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Keep Я знаю, что Key & Peele вряд ли первые, кто придумал это слово-портманто. Моя начальная школа придумала этот термин (под громкий смех) где-то в середине 2000-х, значительно раньше, чем Key & Peele, и я должен предположить, что мы взяли его откуда -то, как и они. Концептуально переход к перевернутому слово-портманто довольно прост, и хотя это может быть не слово, я вижу серьезные проблемы с судебным разбирательством по поводу легитимности слова в журнале Википедии RfD. Учитывая, что в английском языке нет центрального органа для общепринятого языка, тот факт, что поиск термина в Google дает несколько результатов (независимо от того, насколько они сосредоточены на одной теме), я думаю, является достаточной причиной, чтобы сказать, что это слово . Помимо всего этого, fpoon не более грамматичен, чем spork, мы просто привыкли к spork. (да, fp не является часто встречающейся постоянной группой в английском языке, но новое использование постоянной группы вряд ли является причиной называть что-то не словом, если бы это было так, то vroom , vlog , dreamt и bulb находятся в затруднительном положении (vr, vl, mt и lb соответственно)). Foxtrot620 ( обсуждение ) 14:39, 28 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить "Это смешно" и "люди уже придумали это раньше" не являются допустимыми аргументами для сохранения перенаправления. Должны быть какие-то доказательства общего использования для обозначения спорков таким образом, чего нет. См. также WP:NOTNEO для получения более подробной информации. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ ) 15:34, 28 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Слабое удержание . Мда, это довольно правдоподобно {{ R от неправильного имени }} , и его существование потенциально препятствует воссозданию этого названия. (Это, и я сомневаюсь, что изобретение вилки с ложкообразным концом, как ручка, с четырьмя зубцами с тремя отверстиями, а затем изогнутым концом, который я представляю себе как "fpoon", имеет какой-либо смысл изобретать.) Steel1943 ( обсуждение ) 21:25, 28 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Удалить . Только что понял, что на самом деле я думаю о более вероятном поисковом термине " foon ", который является перенаправлением на другую цель, которая имеет примечание в шапке, отсылающее читателей к Spork . Это назначенное перенаправление бессмысленно из-за включения "p". Steel1943 ( обсуждение ) 16:45, 29 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Weak Keep - Я в шоке от того, что foon не перенаправляет на spork , так как я определенно много раз это слышал. Fpoon, похоже, не так уж далек от этого, и я не думаю, что цель неоднозначна... наверняка Ки и Пил не единственные, кто когда-либо использовал этот термин. Fieari ( обсуждение ) 04:16, 30 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  @ Fieari : Я думал то же самое о Foon ... и я думаю, согласно WP:DIFFCAPS , я согласен с вашим шоком и подумываю о перенацеливании или запуске RFD. Steel1943 ( обсуждение ) 05:01, 30 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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• Удалить . Если бы это было правдоподобно для любого столового прибора, это была бы ложка с длинным s , т. е. ſspoon. Даже в этом случае я не думаю, что это полезно; мы не должны создавать перенаправления на "f" для каждого слова с начальной или средней "s" только потому, что кто-то может спутать старое написание с длинным s с написанием с f. fpork не имело бы смысла для текущей цели даже с длинным s, особенно с учетом того, что длинное s вышло из моды еще до изобретения spork в 1874 году. Nyttend ( talk ) 23:31, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Сохраните или сделайте мягкую переадресацию на wikt:fpoon. Enix150 ( обсуждение ) 03:14, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Кладбище Байрона

• Кладбище Байрон → Байрон (значения)#Места ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]            

Это была статья о кладбище. Кто-то посчитал его непримечательным, поэтому перенаправил его в город, в котором оно находилось. Однако затем было указано, что существует (вероятно) несколько кладбищ Байрона. Как есть, мы нацеливаем это на страницу DAB, на которой не упоминаются кладбища. PARAKANYAA ( обсуждение ) 07:55, 31 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Восстановите статью и отправьте ее в AfD, чтобы посмотреть, будет ли эта тема значимой. -1ctinus📝 🗨 12:31, 31 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Восстановление через -1ctinus. Thryduulf ( обсуждение ) 12:54, 31 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

удалить . Примерно полчаса поисков дали мне общественное кладбище Байрон... но также и другие кладбища в местах с названием Байрон, другие кладбища с названием Байрон, людей, которые превратились в трупы и были похоронены на одном из этих кладбищ, и людей, которые откинули копыта, будучи названными Байрон. Ни один из результатов не показался мне надежным для статьи, и ни одно кладбище не получило больше 2 результатов (которые не были некрологами, конечно). Самым близким к известному "кладбищу Байрон" было кладбище и мавзолей Байрон в Фэрборне, штат Огайо , но даже в этом случае это конкретное кладбище не упоминается в статье о городе, и я все еще не нашел о нем ничего надежного . Все это говорит о том, что, по моему мнению, недостаточно информации для работы над мазком

меньше предубеждений против afd, чем обычно, учитывая, что это не было перенаправлением с тех пор, как Anthem был в разработке cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:31, 31 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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Руководство по стилю:

• Руководство по стилю: → Wikipedia:Руководство по стилю (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Если бы это было реальное пространство имен, я почти уверен, что оно было бы пустым. Почти уверен, что большинство просто использовали бы WP:MOS . Даже ввод MOS: без чего-либо перед ним все равно приведет вас туда, куда вы хотите. TeapotsOfDoom ( talk ) 19:50, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Перенацельте на руководство по стилю , на которое уже указывает Руководство по стилю , и в котором уже есть примечание, указывающее на WP:MOS . BD2412 T 20:03, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

если перенацелить, это, вероятно, станет неправдоподобным двоеточием. если не перенацелить, это будет преступлением против клавиши Shift. удалить per nom cogsan _{(nag me) (преследовать меня)} 20:50, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Ретаргет по BD2412 -- 65.92.246.77 ( обсуждение ) 07:26, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить per nom, неправдоподобное двоеточие. Veverve ( обсуждение ) 10:42, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить из-за двоеточия. Не является реальным или поддельным пространством имен (в отличие от "MOS:".) Steel1943 ( обсуждение ) 15:08, 3 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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• Удалить Не настоящее пространство имен и крайне неправдоподобное перенаправление на любую статью в основном пространстве. QuicoleJR ( обсуждение ) 15:05, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]
• Слабое удаление как неправдоподобное. Крауч, Суэйл ( обсуждение ) 19:10, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Биби-мясник

• Биби-мясник → Биньямин Нетаньяху (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Хотя это «прозвище» и было распространено в социальных сетях, я не думаю, что оно подходит для Википедии. Significa liberdade (она/её) ( обсуждение ) 20:17, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Комментарий, если это сохранено, его следует правильно писать заглавными буквами, делая основную форму «Биби Мясник», и это позволяет избежать двойного перенаправления — 65.92.246.77 ( обсуждение ) 07:12, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить . Исключение из нашего руководства по нейтральным переадресациям есть , если переадресация представляет собой устоявшийся термин, который используется в нескольких основных надежных источниках , но поиск журналистских источников показывает, что этот термин, по-видимому, не соответствует этому порогу устоя. Я нашел его упоминание в письмах редактору и в разделах комментариев, но не в прозе журналиста или ученого. Гортензии ( она/ее | разговор | редактирование ) 19:45, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Сохранить (также создать и пометить по IP). Это широко используемый псевдоним, поэтому люди будут искать имя здесь, чтобы узнать, к кому оно относится. Thryduulf ( обсуждение ) 11:22, 7 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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• Удалить . Основные источники не используют этот уничижительный термин. Что дальше? Перенаправление на The Orange One для Дональда Трампа? Перенаправления предназначены для того, чтобы помочь читателям, которые искренне пытаются найти нужную им статью, а не для того, чтобы нарушать NPOV. Давайте. Whizkin ( обсуждение ) 07:09, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Это перенаправление действительно помогает читателям, которые искренне пытаются найти нужную им статью . Псевдоним, широко используемый в социальных сетях, но очень редко в основных источниках, означает, что тем, кто не знает, на кого ссылаются, очень сложно найти надежную, нейтральную информацию о предмете, что делает такие перенаправления еще более важными. Все, что нам нужно сделать, это проверить, является ли это псевдонимом, используемым для цели (очень легко в этом случае), используется ли он также для ссылки на другие темы (в этом случае нет), и если да, то какое использование (если таковое имеется) является основным (не имеет значения здесь, но не является причиной для удаления независимо от ответа). «The Orange One», похоже, используется для ссылки на очень широкий спектр тем, в основном коммерческих продуктов, ни один из которых на первых четырех страницах результатов Google не является Дональдом Трампом, поэтому это не релевантное сравнение (и даже если бы это было так, WP:OTHERSTUFF все равно было бы применимо). Thryduulf ( обсуждение ) 15:41, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить , в основном из-за Hydrangeans. Что касается руководящих принципов Википедии по RNEUTRAL , мне кажется, что это ясная причина 3 удалить (не говоря уже о потенциальном нарушении BLP ), если только не будет окончательно показано, что это «устоявшийся термин, который используется в нескольких основных надежных источниках » . LaughingManiac ( обсуждение ) 17:35, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Википедия:Ретаргет

• Wikipedia:Retarget → Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Разве это не должно быть в Wikipedia:Redirect ? Думаю, нам нужно перенацелить ретаргетинг. При этом есть основания для сохранения, если WP:RfD объясняет ретаргетинг лучше, чем предыдущий. TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 20:24, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Комментарий : Это очень странно, и я только что понял, что Wikipedia:Redirect , похоже, не содержит четкого раздела или набора инструкций о том, как перенаправить существующий редирект. Слова «перенаправить» и «изменить» упоминаются несколько раз, но не в контексте, в котором читатель, ищущий этот редирект, был бы удовлетворен отрывком, где эти слова упоминаются. Steel1943 ( обсуждение ) 20:54, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Справедливости ради, если вы знаете, как создать перенаправление, вы, вероятно, сможете понять, как его перенацелить. Вы просто меняете целевую страницу в скобках на нужную вам.

Вероятно, не нужно больше 2-3 предложений, чтобы объяснить. ApexParagon ( обсуждение ) 05:01, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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• Ретаргетинг (!) да RFD в основном занимается удалением, людей, желающих ретаргетинг, лучше перенаправить на страницу перенаправления, поэтому лучше ратаргетинг (!) там. Крауч, Суэйл ( обсуждение ) 19:12, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  RFD в основном занимается удалением Серьёзно? Thryduulf ( обсуждение ) 15:42, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Хорошие статьи на Википедии

• Хорошие статьи в Википедии → Википедия:Хорошие статьи (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Просто проверяю, изменился ли консенсус по GA WP:XNR . Этот был создан совсем недавно. TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 20:31, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалите, так как читатели не имеют представления о разнице между GA/FA/A, и это просто вводит их в заблуждение, заставляя думать, что это «хорошие» статьи, упуская статьи классов FA и A -- 65.92.246.77 ( обсуждение ) 07:11, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить по имени Veverve ( обсуждение ) 10:41, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить . Как заголовок основного пространства, указывающий, где это происходит, перенаправление — WP:POV с учетом WP:CLUE#Readers . Steel1943 ( обсуждение ) 22:21, 3 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Перенацельтесь на английскую Википедию#ВикиПроекты и оценка , которая представляет собой основную статью, содержащую объяснения хороших статей в Википедии. Тридуульф ( обсуждение ) 11:13, 7 ноября 2024 г. (UTC) [ ответ ]

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• Поддержка ретаргетинга . Headbomb { t · c · p · b } 07:32, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Перенацелить или сохранить. Вероятно, наиболее разумно, чтобы статья обсуждала процесс WP, но в противном случае, я думаю, добавление «в Википедии» дало бы понять, что это не для других вещей, поэтому я не вижу проблемы с XNR. Crouch, Swale ( обсуждение ) 19:14, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

ОФМ Сайкс

• OFM Sykes → Список игроков Surrey County Cricket Club (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Не упоминается в целевой статье. Потенциально непримечательно. Blethering Scot 22:18, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Сохранить . Он первоклассный игрок в крикет, который играет за Суррей, [11], так что цель подходящая. Он, возможно, пока недостаточно известен для своей страницы, но его все равно можно добавить в список (некоторые люди в списке не имеют страниц), и, учитывая, что ему всего 19, он вполне может быть достаточно известен для страницы в ближайшее время. – Майкл Аурел ( обсуждение ) 23:21, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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Марципановая радость

• Marzipan joyjoys → Продукция, произведенная по мотивам Симпсонов ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]            

Больше не упоминается в статье, несмотря на объединение страниц. Xeroctic ( обсуждение ) 15:14, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

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Перечисление комментария:Мысли об истории страницы?
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Великая депрессия на Ближнем Востоке

• Великая депрессия на Ближнем Востоке → Великая депрессия#Ближний Восток и Северная Африка (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Раздела «Target» не существует, и в статье «Target» нет достаточной информации, чтобы уточнить это перенаправление таким образом, чтобы гарантировать, что читатели найдут то, что они ищут. Steel1943 ( обсуждение ) 18:31, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

@ Steel1943 : В этом разделе объясняется, что Великая депрессия оказала серьезное влияние на страны Ближнего Востока, а также описываются ее последствия для Персии и Турции .

Если бы эта страница перенаправления была удалена, читатели могли бы решить, что эта тема слишком неважна, чтобы писать о ней статью или раздел. Jarble ( обсуждение ) 23:38, 1 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Напротив; если бы это была красная ссылка, это бы дало редакторам понять, что статья на эту тему еще не написана и может быть написана . Хотя мы не можем знать наверняка, что подумает читатель, неизбежно, что Википедия находится в процессе разработки . Гортензии ( она/ее | обсуждение | редактирование ) 19:57, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить . Перенаправление на раздел по странам — это не совсем то, что ищет читатель, я думаю. Персия и Турция не являются кодами для целого региона со многими странами, культурами и условиями. Если эта тема примечательна (вполне может быть; я просто не очень хорошо знаю экономическую историю региона в то время), оставить ее в виде красной ссылки вместо перенаправления будет полезнее для того, чтобы дать редакторам понять, что на вики еще нет освещения этой темы. Гортензии ( она/ее | обсуждение | редактирование ) 20:01, 2 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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Еврейский погром в Амстердаме

• Еврейский погром в Амстердаме → Атака в Амстердаме в ноябре 2024 г. ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]            

Холокост в Нидерландах , где произошли настоящие погромы, — лучшая цель, чем WP:RECENT стычка футбольных хулиганов. Малл ( обсуждение ) 16:08, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Перенаправить на Холокост в Нидерландах или удалить. Хулиганская стычка, спровоцированная израильскими болельщиками, которые скандировали: «Пусть ЦАХАЛ победит, чтобы трахнуть арабов», не имеет ничего общего с погромами. М.Биттон ( обсуждение ) 16:21, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Перенаправление на The Holocaust in the Netherlands действительно похоже на множественную версию этого перенаправления. Вообще говоря, погром должен быть инициирован или, по крайней мере, одобрен местными властями, чего даже самые циничные из нас не могли бы сказать, что произошло здесь. Smallangryplanet ( обсуждение ) 16:55, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

• Удалить "Погром" не является устоявшимся или широко используемым термином, глядя на освещение этого инцидента WP:RNEUTRAL . Переадресация на предложенную статью также допустима. — hako9 ( обсуждение ) 20:31, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Перенаправить, как и предлагалось, но я предлагаю добавить {{ for }} hatnote (не {{ redirect }} hatnote, по языковым причинам) к этой цели. Предположительно, это используется в известных источниках (и, вероятно, в социальных сетях, но я не в Twitter) для обозначения недавнего этнического хулиганства, но я согласен, что неуместно и бестактно называть это погромом, когда на самом деле здесь произошли санкционированные государством погромы. Ivanvector ( ^{Обсуждение} / _Правки ) 21:04, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Speedy Keep - Перенаправления являются навигационными средствами. Поскольку в целевой статье говорится, что президент Израиля охарактеризовал атаку как погром, этого достаточно, чтобы сделать это разумным поисковым запросом. The Mountain of Eden ( обсуждение ) 00:06, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Цель перенаправлений раскрыта в WP:RPURPOSE . Президент Турции охарактеризовал президента Израиля как «геноцидного убийцу». Достаточно ли этого, чтобы сделать это разумным поисковым запросом , и, следовательно, перенаправлением? M.Bitton ( talk ) 01:28, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Ваша аналогия не применима. Согласно WP:BLP , было бы неуместно помещать в биографическую статью о президенте Израиля личные нападки, которые сделал какой-то другой мировой лидер (хотя было бы уместно сказать, что он подвергся критике). Точно так же мы не помещаем в биографические статьи все оскорбительные «клички», которые Трамп дал всем своим политическим оппонентам.

  В случае данного редиректа в целевой статье конкретно присутствует термин «погром», и никаких проблем с WP:BLP не возникает .

  Несколько сбивает с толку, что это не очевидно, и мне нужно это объяснить. The Mountain of Eden ( обсуждение ) 06:37, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Несколько сбивает с толку то, что вы упустили очевидный момент: президент Израиля не является надежным источником для такого заявления. Его нерелевантное мнение можно приписать ему, но это все. M.Bitton ( talk ) 14:31, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Предпочтительно удалить , использование погрома, похоже, ограничивается предвзятыми источниками и его следует избегать из-за очевидных проблем WP:NPOV . Я думаю, что ретаргетинг на Холокост в Нидерландах сработает только в том случае, если он ретаргетинг на что-то конкретное на этой странице. Esolo5002 ( обсуждение ) 08:42, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Strong keep . То, что произошло вчера в Амстердаме, было охарактеризовано надежными источниками как погром. Об этом говорится в статье. То, что произошло в Нидерландах во время Холокоста, было массовым убийством евреев, но не погромом или серией погромов. На самом деле, в этой статье погромы не упоминаются и это слово не используется.-- Ymblanter ( обсуждение ) 09:19, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Кто-нибудь из WP:RSP описал это как погром собственным голосом? — hako9 ( обсуждение ) 11:41, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Перенацельте на Холокост в Нидерландах или удалите .

Когда я был начинающим специалистом по устранению неоднозначностей, я наткнулся на неоднозначную ссылку на одно место в современной Беларуси. Я ее идентифицировал.

Следующая проблема была идентична. Я решил и ее.

Третья задача была такой же, и я ее тоже решил.

В этот момент я сделал перерыв, потому что по какой-то причине не мог как следует сосредоточиться и неконтролируемо ругался. Одно из этих трех мест, уничтоженных в начале 1940-х годов, отмечено высеченным на земле камнем. Два других — нет.

Назвать недавний инцидент в Амстердаме «погромом» — это оскорбление всех тех, кто стал жертвой настоящих погромов. Кстати, у меня нет еврейских корней. Narky Blert ( обсуждение ) 15:41, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Speedy and Strong Keep - То, что произошло в Амстердаме, было ужасным, и это должно быть отражено как таковое. Это было описано как программа, и это потому, что это была программа. MaskedSinger ( обсуждение ) 19:15, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Я постараюсь сказать это как можно более мягко, но как человек, чьи родственники были вынуждены бежать от настоящих погромов во время Второй мировой войны, я считаю, что должен это сказать:

  Я нахожу это сравнение, сделанное главами государств или политиками и теперь защищаемое вами, невероятно бесчувственным, глубоко огорчительным и граничащим, само по себе, с антисемитизмом, учитывая, насколько глубоко, по ассоциации, оно преуменьшает ужасы антиеврейских погромов и релятивизирует зверства тех, кто их совершил. Особенно сейчас, когда становится все более очевидным, что израильские фанаты занимались поведением, которое само по себе можно было бы, в лучшем случае, описать как чудовищную нетерпимость и приветствия этнической чистки.

  В любом случае, хотя я и хотел поделиться тем, насколько оскорбительным я считаю это сравнение, я мало осознаю свои чувства по этому поводу. Единственный вопрос, который следует здесь рассмотреть, это: согласно RNEUTRAL , является ли этот термин одним из тех, который был установлен надежными источниками, чтобы иметь должный вес, и, следовательно, соответствует критериям для перенаправлений NPOV? У меня самого нет ответа на этот вопрос, поскольку я не смотрел на долю источников, которые используют этот термин, но я думаю, что именно на этом следует сосредоточиться здесь. LaughingManiac ( talk ) 14:17, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  @LaughingManiac Как это можно назвать погромом, граничащим с антисемитизмом? MaskedSinger ( обсуждение ) 14:56, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Я сказал то, что сказал, и уже изложил свои причины, по которым я это сказал. Принимайте это или нет. LaughingManiac ( talk ) 15:07, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Сохранить Очень быстрый поиск в Google показывает, что термины «Амстердамский погром» и «погром в Амстердаме» широко используются для описания темы статьи. Мне это кажется разумным поисковым термином; я лично использовал перенаправление, чтобы изначально найти статью. Spirit of Eagle ( обсуждение ) 20:44, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) EDIT: в wikipedia:RNEUTRAL нам разрешено использовать ненейтральные заголовки перенаправлений, и на самом деле нам предоставляется дополнительная свобода действий, поскольку перенаправления менее заметны для читателей. Учитывая, что термин часто использовался в надежных источниках и что это разумный поисковый термин для читателей, я действительно не вижу оправдания для удаления. Spirit of Eagle ( обсуждение ) 23:07, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Перенаправить или просто удалить - надежные источники, использованные в статье, которые я выборочно проверил, не описывают это событие как погром; в лучшем случае они цитируют израильских официальных лиц, которые так говорят. Hatman31 (он/его · обсуждение · вклад ) 02:41, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить Источники не описывают это как погром. Нетаньяху не является надежным источником для того, как следует называть эту статью. Parabolist ( обсуждение ) 11:00, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Удалить Неудачное событие с плохим поведением вокруг не соответствует определению программы . Если кто-то назвал это так, это может быть отражено в тексте статьи, но мы не должны говорить, что это было так. Просто отойди в сторону ^{от этого мира ..... сегодня} 02:33, 11 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Мург

• Murgh → Курица как еда ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]            

создано как «урду для „курица“», но, по-видимому, используется только в контексте индийского карри и, похоже, не упоминается за пределами истории страницы, предыдущего обсуждения и butter chicken . см. также murg i think cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:34, 2 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Перенацельтесь на Butter chicken (кстати, широко известный как «butter chikkin»). Всего наилучшего: Rich Farmbrough 22:47, 2 октября 2024 (UTC).[ отвечать ]
  
• Удалить per nom и WP:FORRED . Ретаргетинг, как предложено выше, также будет неуместен, поскольку нет особой причины нацеливать это блюдо в отличие от любого другого блюда из курицы. 35.139.154.158 ( talk ) 13:20, 3 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Retarget to Chicken , перешел в английское употребление, см. Викисловарь. Всего наилучшего: Rich Farmbrough 01:00, 4 октября 2024 (UTC).[ отвечать ]
  

  «Murgh» не перешло в английский язык, и даже запись Wikt перечисляет его только в значении, связанном с индийской кухней. Поэтому WP:FORRED все еще применяется. Перенаправление на «chicken» будет WP:HARMFUL , так как это скрывает информацию от пользователя. 35.139.154.158 ( talk ) 21:52, 8 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  На самом деле, в Викисловаре это слово указано как английское. То, что оно используется только в одном контексте, не отменяет этого — множество однозначно английских терминов используются только в одном контексте. Thryduulf ( обсуждение ) 16:09, 10 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

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• Keep ; английское заимствованное слово специально используется в индийской кулинарии для обозначения курицы, приготовленной для употребления в пищу, а не самого животного — то же самое, что и гораздо более распространенные заимствованные из французского языка слова beef , pork , и mutton . Эти слова ссылаются на свои собственные страницы, которые рассказывают об использовании мяса в пище, а не на страницы для cow , pig , и sheep соответственно. Учитывая это, эквивалентная страница chicken as food является правильной целью. Однако может быть уместно примечание в шапке — «Murgh» перенаправляет сюда. Для конкретного блюда, известного как «Murgh makhani», см. butter chicken . 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( обсуждение ) 18:21, 10 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Но это не английский, в отличие от других, так что этот аргумент разваливается. И такая заметка в шапке была бы крайне неуместной по той же причине, которую я привел выше — в индийских меню есть много-много блюд, название которых будет включать «murgh»; указывать только на одно было бы бессмысленно. И прежде чем вы поднимете этот вопрос, устранение неоднозначности также будет неправильным, поскольку записи будут представлять собой не что иное, как WP:PTMs . Читатель, который не знает, что такое «murgh», сможет гораздо легче выяснить, что это такое, если бы перенаправления не существовало, как по характеру результатов поиска, так и по заметной ссылке на Викисловарь. Большинство людей будут озадачены тем, почему поиск «murgh» привел их к «Chicken as food», что не дало бы им никакой информации о том, что это слово используется в индийской кухне. Простое определение, скорее всего, будет более полезным, чем целая статья о курице как еде. 35.139.154.158 ( обсуждение ) 19:38, 10 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Вы ведь понимаете, насколько английский состоит из заимствований (то есть слов, взятых из других языков), верно? Насколько старым должно быть заимствованное слово, по вашему мнению, чтобы оно стало английским словом? Если сузить круг слов, связанных с едой, то Beef, Pork и Mutton — все они французского происхождения, как и Café. Spaghetti и Lasagna — итальянского. А как насчет Teriyaki или Hibachi, оба из японского? Jalapeño и Tortilla из испанского? О, Murgh — это конкретно индийское слово, а как насчет Chai?

  Я хочу сказать, что люди регулярно используют все эти слова в английской речи, и если бы вы удалили ВСЕ заимствованные слова из английского языка, он бы звучал ОЧЕНЬ по-другому.

  Я допускаю, что указание только на курицу в масле в заметке может быть плохим решением, но только если вы можете привести другие блюда «мург» , у которых есть страницы в Википедии. В противном случае я должен указать, что аргумент противоречит WP:CRYSTAL — мы не можем поднять руки вверх, потому что кто-то МОЖЕТ создать страницу о втором или третьем блюде «мург» в будущем. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔫�🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( обсуждение ) 04:45, 11 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

• Мягкий ретаргетинг на Викисловарь - Обсуждение выше убедило меня, что поиск правдоподобен, но также и в том, что у нас нет никакой информации о том, что пользователь будет искать... а именно, что означает murgh? Для этого запись в Викисловаре, по сути, является лучшим источником полезной информации для пользователя. Fieari ( обсуждение ) 00:09, 11 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

  Если выше не было ясно, я все еще определенно против перенаправления викисловаря, опять же, потому что это скрывает результаты поиска на сайте от пользователя... результаты поиска , которые и так уже содержат ссылку на Викисловарь прямо вверху! Пусть функция поиска делает свою работу. 35.139.154.158 ( talk ) 02:29, 11 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Обратите внимание, что результаты поиска не обязательно будут содержать ссылку на Викисловарь и могут быть доступны в несколько кликов/касаний в зависимости от множества факторов (включая то, как вы перешли сюда, какое устройство вы используете и есть ли у вас возможность создать новую статью). Thryduulf ( обсуждение ) 02:48, 11 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

  Результаты поиска ВКЛЮЧАЮТ ссылку на Викисловарь, и утверждать обратное нечестно. 35.139.154.158 ( обсуждение ) 22:01, 11 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

  Если вы прочитаете, что я на самом деле написал, вы увидите, что в этом нет ничего нечестного. Thryduulf ( обсуждение ) 11:35, 12 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Я принимаю к сведению ваше возражение, но, выполняя поиск самостоятельно, я получаю ряд WP:PTM , которые на самом деле не предоставляют информацию о слове murgh само по себе, что заставляет меня по-прежнему считать, что wiktionary подходит лучше. Если им действительно нужны результаты поиска, мягкие ретаргеты предоставляют такую ​​возможность. (Пример мягкого перенаправления для справки, как это выглядит: Kiss-in ) Fieari ( talk ) 05:05, 11 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Keep per Lunamann. Доказательства показывают, что, вопреки утверждениям IP, это английское слово, но даже если бы это было не так, широкое использование в англоязычной среде сделало бы его полезным поисковым термином. Thryduulf ( talk ) 02:48, 11 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Какие доказательства!? Существование этого редиректа совершенно вводит в заблуждение и WP:ASTONISHing . 35.139.154.158 ( talk ) 22:01, 11 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

  Ладно, мы... мы поняли, вы не думаете, что это слово на самом деле уже перешло в английский, и вы все больше злитесь, что все остальные говорят, что оно перешло. Пожалуйста, не бейте нас дубинками за это 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( talk ) 03:23, 12 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить . Никакого упоминания этого термина в цели, поэтому мы исследуем соображения FORRED . Если слово означает «Курица» на урду, то любая цель КРОМЕ chicken (равнозначная murgh) была бы удивительной. Однако, по-видимому, у него есть другое определение в английском языке, где оно конкретно относится к кулинарным целям... но таких целей нигде не найти в английской Википедии, поэтому нет проверки onwiki. Нет упоминания «Murgh» или «Urdu» ни в Chicken , ни в Chicken as food . Обычно я бы принял мягкое перенаправление в викисловарь, но мы должны помнить, что Wikipedia — это не словарь . Это означает, что мы не только запрещаем статьям быть простыми определениями из словаря здесь, но ТАКЖЕ это означает, что мы не создаем перенаправления для каждого отдельного словаря в Википедии для отправки в Викисловарь. Если кто-то вводит «Murgh» в Wiki PEDIA , похоже, он будет искать ЭНЦИКЛОПЕДИЧЕСКУЮ запись, а не словарную. У нас есть много статей о murgh в Википедии, таких как Murgh makhani и Murgh cholay . Если кто-то хотел найти определение "murgh", он бы использовал словарь, а не полагался на перенаправление, которое иногда может лгать . Особенно без какой-либо проверки на целевой странице или какой-либо логической причины для перехода на страницу, где это не упоминается. Я взглянул на викисловарь, и информация, которая у нас есть в Wikt:murgh, довольно посредственная (т. е. единственное слово). В ее нынешнем виде она не приносит пользы читателям, которые получили бы ту же пользу и даже больше от результата поиска в Википедии. Результат поиска, который показывает, какие энциклопедические темы, связанные с "murgh", у нас ДЕЙСТВИТЕЛЬНО есть здесь. Совпадения с частичным заголовком, вероятно, лучше, чем предположение, что люди хотят "использовать энциклопедию, чтобы прочитать словарь". Utopes _{( обсуждение / продолжение )} 08:45, 18 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

В качестве альтернативы, перенацельтесь на Афганская кухня#Курица , где это обсуждается как афганский термин. Utopes _{( обсуждение / продолжение )} 09:18, 18 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Я отмечу, что любой, кто ищет индийскую кухню, будет WP:УДИВЛЕН целью афганской кухни, так что это тоже может быть плохой целью. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔫�🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( обсуждение ) 00:18, 20 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Вы не можете просто сказать: «Кто-то ищет тему, которую мы не освещаем в Википедии, будет WP:удивлен, если он окажется на теме, которую мы освещаем в Википедии». Это совсем не рассматривается в эссе, на которое вы ссылаетесь, в котором говорится: «Среднестатистический читатель не должен быть шокирован, удивлен или сбит с толку тем, что он читает». Никто не будет шокирован, если он введет в поиск слово «murgh» и увидит единственное место, где тема «murgh» напрямую определена и обсуждается в Википедии (например, в афганской кухне). Было бы по-другому, если бы не было никакого упоминания об афганцах, но оно есть.

Мы исходим из того, что у нас есть , а не из того, что мы хотим, но не имеем. Если бы индийская кухня была так важна, кто-то бы добавил что-то, связанное с этой темой, в Википедию, в любой момент времени за последние два десятилетия или в ходе обсуждения. Или в будущем! Когда что-то добавляется для этого контента об индийской кухне, термин может быть устранен и могут быть созданы новые перенаправления. (Если только в настоящее время НЕТ существующего контента, связанного с индийским мургом, но никто, похоже, не утверждает, что это правда. Я не нашел ничего, что обсуждало бы индийскую терминологию, в Википедии.) Utopes _{( обсуждение / продолжение )} 21:23, 25 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

За исключением того, что вы сами уже ссылались на статьи, в которых обсуждаются отдельные блюда индийской кухни мург, курица в масле и чана масала (которая является целью мург чолай ). Добавьте к этому мург мусаллам и цыпленка тандури , которые — хотя в настоящее время нет перенаправления на «мург», его собственная статья и статья для индийской кухни#Пенджаб описывают его как таковой. Очевидно, что сами по себе отдельные блюда достойны иметь свои собственные статьи, на которые можно было бы ссылаться при устранении неоднозначности, поэтому я, честно говоря, лично шокирован тем, что сам индийский мург НИКОГДА не обсуждался. Может быть, мы просто еще не нашли его? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫𝔙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 ( обсуждение ) 23:40, 25 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Согласен, что существуют индийские темы, такие как Murgh musallam и Murgh cholay . Однако к ним можно перейти, введя полное название соответствующих блюд. Не имеет смысла отправлять Murgh в одну или любую из них, как частичное совпадение названий . Поэтому удаление также включено в меню, каламбур. :v Кстати, ни "murgh", ни "cholay" не упоминаются в Chana masala , так что, возможно, его тоже следует номинировать.

Теперь, когда я знаю об афганском термине, который является единственным местом, где этот термин обсуждается в Википедии, я менее настроен на удаление, и поэтому должен по умолчанию указать цель. Допустимо, чтобы слово "murgh", как оно используется в murgh musallam , имело иное происхождение, чем цель "murgh", как оно используется в Afghan kitchen#Chicken , которая даже там указана как "murgh-e", но все равно лучше, чем вообще ничего.

На основании доказательств, представленных читателям в основном пространстве Википедии, только афганская кухня может быть основной темой "murgh", на основании того, что это ЕДИНСТВЕННАЯ тема, охватываемая (отдельно) в Википедии (как это имеет место, пока я пишу это). Я также против примечания, особенно если это перенаправление указывает на афганскую кухню. Что вообще может быть сказано в примечании? "Murgh перенаправляет сюда. Для термина, используемого как индийская кухня, пожалуйста, рассмотрите курицу как еду , которая не содержит никакой информации, которую вы ищете о 'Murgh как индийская кухня'" ? Может быть, на этом этапе мы могли бы просто устранить неоднозначность чего- то? Но было бы довольно сложно оправдать устранение неоднозначности списка пищевых WP:PTMs , которые такие PTMs не должны быть перечислены в dabs, но я отвлекся... Utopes _{( обсуждение / продолжение )} 02:23, 26 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

Также относительно последнего предложения, это было номинировано с 2 октября. Все !keepers хотели сохранить, несмотря на то, что оно не упоминалось в Chicken as food или других предложениях, где "murgh" также не упоминалось. Никаких доказательств использования индийского термина "murgh" не было опубликовано за пределами Викисловаря. Теперь мы ищем индийские использования "murgh" на Вики, только когда был обнаружен афганский термин? Я сам провел довольно большой поиск и ничего не нашел, но лучшая часть заключается в том, что если позже будет найдено упоминание индийского термина, перенаправление может быть перенаправлено и/или воссоздано после обнаружения таких доказательств, что даже не обязательно должно произойти на этой неделе или в этом месяце. Но в то же время мы знаем то, что знаем, и то, что я знаю, это то, что он упоминается в Afghan kitchen . Utopes _{( обсуждение / продолжение )} 02:37, 26 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Перечислено повторно для более тщательного обсуждения и более четкого консенсуса.
Пожалуйста, добавьте новые комментарии под этим уведомлением. Спасибо,Cremastra— talk — c 20:11, 18 октября 2024 (UTC)[ отвечать ]

• Перенаправить на Список блюд из курицы . Это аннотированные ссылки, но я думаю, что не повредит украсить записи местными названиями, как я сделал для курицы в масле. Противопоставить перенаправление на афганскую кухню, которая находится на периферии южноазиатской кухни, где это популярно. Джей 💬 19:43, 26 октября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Перечислено повторно для более тщательного обсуждения и более четкого консенсуса.
Пожалуйста, добавьте новые комментарии под этим уведомлением. Спасибо, L iz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:42, 26 октября 2024 (UTC)[ отвечать ]

Повторно размещено для более тщательного обсуждения и более четкого консенсуса.
Комментарий к повторному размещению:Еще одна попытка, пожалуйста. Удалить, сохранить или перенацелить? Поскольку нет обновления соглашения.
Пожалуйста, добавьте новые комментарии под этим уведомлением. Спасибо, ✴️Icarus The Astrologer✴️ 13:19, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC)[ отвечать ]

Рыльце

• Snoutlet → Heterocrossa eriphylla ( обсуждение · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]            

Больше не упоминается в целевой теме (см. историю там, чтобы узнать, почему я удалил его). Первоначально был создан в другом месте, где также нет упоминания. Есть один на WP, но он просто указывает на озвучку, по-видимому, второстепенного персонажа (без источника) в еще не выпущенном фильме и не нуждается в перенаправлении. 35.139.154.158 ( обсуждение ) 13:07, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Перенацельтесь обратно на Mario & Luigi: Brothership . Это буквально главный персонаж в сюжете игры, и игра только что вышла, так что пока не будет краткого содержания сюжета. Он определенно получит упоминание, как только редакторы сделают обзор сюжета. TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 23:35, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Обновление : на странице теперь есть краткое содержание сюжета , в котором упоминается Snoutlet . TeapotsOfDoom ( обсуждение ) 19:08, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Блич (игры)

• Bleach (игры) → Список видеоигр Bleach (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]          
• Видеоигры Bleach → Список видеоигр Bleach (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]          
• Игры Bleach → Список видеоигр Bleach (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенацелить /удалить  ]           

Древние перенаправления, которые не являются заметными синонимами для этой статьи и не используются ни в одной статье за ​​последние 18 лет. Следует удалить. Для первого перенаправления история правок также не примечательна, так как было сделано всего два редактирования, и оба были перемещениями. Два других были созданы как перенаправления и фактически никогда не использовались. MimirIsSmart (обсуждение) 11:30, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Удалить "Bleach (игры)" как непригодный для использования -- 65.92.246.77 ( обсуждение ) 23:27, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
  • Удалить «Bleach games» как ужасно двусмысленные -- 65.92.246.77 ( обсуждение ) 23:28, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Оставьте Bleach video games . Пока это не вызывает путаницы и пока нет ничего лучшего, что можно было бы с этим сделать (например, переписать со статьей), "X" почти всегда является хорошим перенаправлением на "Список X". Это не вызовет путаницы (какое еще значение может иметь "Bleach video games"?), поэтому это должно оставаться перенаправлением. Мнения по поводу остальных нет. Nyttend ( talk ) 23:28, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

Википедия:STAYONTOPIC

• Wikipedia:STAYONTOPIC → Wikipedia:Правила страницы обсуждения#тема (обсуждение  · ссылки · история · статистика) [ Закрытие:  сохранить/перенаправить /удалить  ]           

Я думаю, что это перенаправление должно быть перенаправлено туда, куда ведут WP:TOPIC и WP:OFFTOPIC , то есть на Wikipedia:Writing better articles#Stay on topic .

Между тем, я добавил небольшую заметку. Veverve ( talk ) 09:54, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

EDIT: Я поддерживаю устранение неоднозначности как второй вариант, как утверждают редакторы ниже. Veverve ( обсуждение ) 16:47, 10 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]

• Оставить как есть. WP:OFFTOPIC для контента, WP:STAYONTOPIC для обсуждений. Headbomb { t · c · p · b } 13:07, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Disambiguate . Существует два направления для Stay on topic на основе темы статей и обсуждений, как с записью в Talk page guidelines и Writing better articles essay . Поэтому нет четкой основной темы для этого перенаправления на цель. В противном случае его не следует перенаправлять с guidelines на an essay about guidelines. CNC ( talk ) 15:29, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Устранение неоднозначности с помощью CNC. Крауч, Суэйл ( обсуждение ) 18:33, 8 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответить ]
• Устранение неоднозначности - Я совершенно не представляю, как кто-то должен интуитивно догадаться, что «OFFTOPIC» относится к контенту, а почти синоним «STAYONTOPIC» относится к обсуждениям. Gnomingstuff ( обсуждение ) 02:30, 9 ноября 2024 (UTC) [ ответ ]

тайский

• Thailan → Thailand  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Casting any Pandora arguments aside, I don't think this is a plausible typo. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 07:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete This ia plausible typo, but not a plausible misspelling. It might also be confused as a last name[https://namediscoveries.com/names/thailan Ca ^{talk to me!} 11:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• delete per nom. you can type that last d, i believe in you! also, i guess someone would have already had to type 7 letters to get to this redirect, as opposed to just clicking on the result that pops up as early as the first letter cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:09, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep plausible typo, especially since that d isn't stressed and you can easily hear Thailan and not Thailand. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 07:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  You call it a typo, but you go on to argue that it's a spelling error, which is different. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:47, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. A mere smattering of google hits for the country, comparable to deleting other letters, like "thaland" or "thailad", and far more matches for this as a personal name instead. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:47, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fortnit

• Fortnit → Fortnite  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Casting any Pandora arguments aside, I don't think this is a plausible typo. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 07:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom. possibly even ambiguous with fortnight cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. I don't anticipate huge numbers of people leaving off the final letter (or the two penultimate letters), and "fortnit" wouldn't be pronounced like "fortnight" or "fortnite", so any occurrences would be a combination of a mis-hearing spelling error and a typo. Nyttend (talk) 23:20, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sputnik (serach engine)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Mothra Leo

• Mothra Leo → Mothra  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Mothra Leo is a fan name and its simply a rumor, besides if its a rebirth trilogy, the Mothra should be named "MOTHRA", not Leo, otherwise Toho should've changed the names of the trilogy to "Birth of Mothra Leo". 121.45.246.200 (talk) 07:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - @121.45.246.200 does have a point though, even if I did read those three films articles in my point of view or someone else's point of view, they'd be like "Who the hell is Leo?", but I'm not a Mothra expert though, only a Godzilla expert, so yeah, I am agreeing with @121.45.246.200, someone might need to get this IP a scholarship or some sort of award. I don't know, I'm overthinking this. EIther way, I'm leaning towards delete

GojiraFan1954 (talk) 07:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Banorant

• Banorant → Valorant  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Apparently, someone tagged this as a misspelling. It's clearly fancruft. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 07:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete as implausible, but more importantly, as a bad pun cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish pogroms in Amsterdam

• Jewish pogroms in Amsterdam → Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect doesn't direct to a pogrom -- haminoon (talk) 06:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, pogrom = Riot, given that there were assaults, it could be assumed that there are riots in the area. For the record, there is currently a discussion on the target article's talk page about moving to November 2024 Amsterdam attacks. ToadetteEdit (talk) 06:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• delete, - is inflammatory and ignores context HorrorEnvironment8 (talk) 06:46, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. I see that you have registered today and the only edit you did id on this page. Do you mind to elaborate your point? With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 14:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• merge at minimum, as this contains RS-supported relevant information not in the other article. --184.153.21.19 (talk) 07:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• merge what little there is, place a redirect if really necessary, but I think due to how general the title is, that due to WP:RECENT within a few months it will be back here to be deleted due to lack of precision. TiggerJay (talk) 08:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and merge, as many RS call it this way:

1. The Jerusalem Post (1, 2, 3, 4)
2. The Times of Israel (1, 2, 3, 4)
3. Reuters (1 - quote)
4. JSN (1)
5. New York Post] (1 - quote)
6. The New York Sun (1, 2)
7. BBC (1, 2, 3)
8. Israel Hayom (1)
9. Arutz Sheva (1, 2)
10. The Jewish Chronicle (1)
11. The Spectator (1)
12. The Forward (1)
13. Ynet (1)
14. The Jewish Press (1)
15. Newsmax (1, 2)
16. Legal Insurrection (1)
17. Townhall (1)
18. Israel Today (1)
19. And more.

With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 14:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to The Holocaust in the Netherlands, would be much more proper than a WP:RECENT football hooligan riot. (Same as the singular redirect.)

Smallangryplanet (talk) 16:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I didn't understand this RFD because the redirect under discussion here, Jewish pogroms in Amsterdam, pointed to a different article, November 2024 Amsterdam attacks so I reverted that edit. But the target article mentioned here, Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam is another redirect, not an article. So, this discussion needs to be withdrawn or reorganized because right now it doesn't make sense. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Put on hold. As long as the singular title exists as a redirect, there's no possible reason to treat this separately from it; any retargeting there should be performed here too. If the singular gets deleted, this should be deleted too — no good reason to delete singular and keep plural. And if anything else happens to the singular (e.g. converted to disambiguation page), this should remain a redirect there, since it's 100% related and wouldn't be a double redirect. Nyttend (talk) 23:22, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NJHS

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: NJHS (disambiguation) moved back to NJHS

2029 in spaceflight

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Hat Simulator

• Hat Simulator → Team Fortress 2  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Hat Simulator 2 → Team Fortress 2  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Possible WP:FANCRUFT TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 21:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak Keep. This is a meme-y way to refer to the game, that isn't limited to the fanbase-- Valve themselves sometimes refer to the game as a "war-themed hat simulator" in the ad copy for updates, with the first example I can find being the Mac Update of June 2010. Given I can't think of any other game or application that could be referred to this way, I'd say we keep. That said, my 'keep' would be a lot stronger if a mention were added to the article. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, not mentioned at target. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 00:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, no mention at target. Veverve (talk) 09:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PKS 0451-28

• PKS 0451-28 → Parkes Catalogue of Radio Sources  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is a part of the target list, but it is one of 8000 and isn't mentioned as one of the notable ones there. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 09:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. --Un assiolo (talk) 16:27, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete the author BLAR'd the article into a redirect as nonnotable; speedy delete as author blanking page -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:45, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Declining speedy as vandalism. BusterD (talk) 03:58, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Why as vandalism? The author [12] converted to a redirect [13] with the comment it was nonnotable. All other edits to the page seem to be by bots or for copyediting. This would seem to be viable as a DB-author implied deletion criterion applicable. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:51, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  So, either CSD: G7 for speedy deletion will applied for criteria? Suggest if you want to enhancing the RfD's deletion. ✴️IcarusThe Astrologer✴️ 16:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Restore article and send to AfD per WP:BLAR. It's an article before. --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:39, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The author [14] of the article BLAR'd [15] it. So it seems the author doesn't think it's notable, per the edit comment on the BLAR. There doesn't seem to be other edits except bots and compyediting. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:51, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

    The author didn't blank the redirect, though. They redirected the article and have expressed no desire to delete the redirect. G7 does not apply to the current revision. C F A 💬 14:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tesonet

• Tesonet → Tom Okman  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete to encourage creation of the article. High trafic redirect with the only fact present being the year of establishment. Respublik (talk) 16:50, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Someone can just expand the page into a full article, that's allowed, and that's been done on thousands of articles. You could do that now if you feel strongly about the situation, and you would be congratulated for it. Why remove the next best option which is a redirect to the founder? "High traffic redirect" suggests the page is doing something useful, redirecting to the founder of the organisation until a page on the organisation exists. I don't see why that's a reason to delete the page. "Only fact present being the year of establishment" I'm sorry but I don't understand this at all. Where on the page said the year of establishment? A redirect of a company name to a founder could be categorised with a year of establishment, but that's just to aid navigation in categories. This one had no categories. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:19, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Even IPs, so people with no Wikipedia account, can turn a redirect into a full article. On 20 September I created 2023 Taça da Liga final, redirecting to 2022–23 Taça da Liga#Final. Five days later an IP turned it into an 11K article. [16] How is this situation stopping people from making a page, which nobody in the history of the world has wanted to do yet? Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:25, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• An IP just removed the discussion link in order to write a description of the company in promotional language. If they can do it now, what's stopping a legitimate user or IP from doing so? Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:41, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Human Aquarium

• The Human Aquarium → Hadji Ali  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It doesn't seem that "The Human Aquarium" is more likely to refer to Hadji Ali than to Mac Norton, whose article mentions the nickname in the lead, while Ali's only mentions the name six paragraphs down. Paul_012 (talk) 19:42, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment what Paul_012 suggest above seems accurate, so this redirect appears to be misplaced, and perhaps a DAB page is needed instead. While Hadhji appears to have more views, Mac seems to be better known for that term, and they're both from a good long time ago -- so I'm not seeing that either is clearly the primary target. TiggerJay (talk) 07:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DQw4w9WgXcQ

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy keep

IRAS 13349+1428

• IRAS 13349+1428 → IRAS 13349+2438  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target page and unable to find anything on Google. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:58, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Also note that when created the edit summary was "Redirecting IRAS 13349+1428 to IRAS 13349+2438 since the designation does not exist on any databases" which seems like a reason not to have created this. If it doesn't exist why would anyone search it and why target it here? A7V2 (talk) 01:30, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @A7V2: I guess someone clicked on it somewhere on Wikipedia? There are dozens of Wikipedia articles that link(ed) to the misspelled redirect. Template:List of Seyfert galaxies, which is used on every article about Seyfert galaxies, has used the misspelled designation since 2015, and continued to use it until I corrected the template two minutes ago. Renerpho (talk) 02:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Oh, and keep. Even though the redirect is relatively new, this misspelling has existed on Wikipedia for almost 10 years. There's no telling if anyone saw (and used) the wrong name. Renerpho (talk) 02:24, 21 October 2024 (UTC) Also, just to be sure: There's nothing at all near coordinates 13h34.9m +14°28' (B1950.0),[17] ruling out the possibility that someone might be looking for an actual object with that name. Renerpho (talk) 15:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Ah makes sense. Since it seems to be unambiguous, happy to keep in that case. A7V2 (talk) 22:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm not sure you put the coordinates correctly in that sky map... by my calculations, 13h34.9m should be 13.58167, and 14°28' should be 14.46667. Leading to this. There's a faint object near it, but it's boatloads removed from IRAS 13349+2438.

  This isn't a simply typo either, IRAS 13349+1428 vs IRAS 13349+2438.

  I'm a delete on this one, and wherever the link is found should be updated to reflect what the source is meant to support. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 07:51, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MPGuy2824: See above for an explanation why this redirect exists. Do you still think it should be deleted? Renerpho (talk) 10:48, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think waiting for inputs from a couple of more editors will not hurt. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MPGuy2824: I am asking because this discussion is now eight days old -- one day over the usual deadline. We could close it, rather than waiting for someone to relist it, if all the arguments have been heard. I take that to mean you still think there's more to discuss? Renerpho (talk) 11:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This decision should not be left to a person with my level of astronomy knowledge. Like I said, waiting a week or two more will not hurt since "no consensus" is equivalent to "keep". -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete this galaxy we created out of human error. It was a redlink from 2015 until last month. Now that Renerpho has removed it from the template, we should not retain this erroneous galaxy. If ST11 (who added it to the template in the first place) says this is a genuine galaxy, he may add it back to the template, but it will remain a redlink until we have some info on it, or if it is an alternate name, it may be recreated. Jay 💬 16:11, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Jay, I'd agree with you completely if this human error had been a recent one. But at 10 years old, I think the chance for it to have "transcended Wikipedia" is too high (non-zero). There's no harm in keeping it. Renerpho (talk) 17:11, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This is 1 month old, hence recently created. What was 10 years old, was page content that existed as a redlink, and we fix page content all the time. Jay 💬 08:13, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Implausible typos should be fixed, not created as redirects. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:46, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Pretty sure that's a typo, and typoes like this shouldn't be redirects. Procyon117 (talk) 14:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I voted delete above in a reply to an argument, so I want to make a record of it here, after the relist, since that's when my comment was made. Don't double-count my !vote. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 07:53, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Putting wedge

• Putting wedge → Golf club  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 21 § Putting wedge – no consensus

Over two years later, let's try this again: delete per WP:RSURPRISE as unmentioned and per WP:REDLINK per my comments in the previous discussion's nomination statement. Steel1943 (talk) 17:46, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment shouldn't it just be refined to #chipper, per the last RfD? -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:46, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ape Escape Racer

• Ape Escape Racer → Epics (company)#Ape Escape Racing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

An extremely novel misnomer of an unofficial translated name of a Japan-only game. Is orphaned, which makes its unnecessary existence even less meaningful. MimirIsSmart (talk) 14:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Stone Jesus

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Jimboboii

• Jimboboii → 2022 Buffalo shooting  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This seems to be one of the social media usernames of the perpetrator. Not mentioned in the target page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 01:57, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete especially without a reference in the article, this seems to be a needless redirect. TiggerJay (talk) 07:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. In addition to not being mentioned, it is misspelled from what he used. Extra useless. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lanyard class

• Lanyard class → Professional–managerial class  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I have been unable to find sources that describe the Professional–managerial class as the "lanyard class", which could also refer to other class groups. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The phrases are used as synonyms in the Niskanen Center piece I linked in the edit summary:

Graeber suggests that the electoral collapse of social-democratic and worker’s parties in Europe is a result of a “revolt of the caring classes” against the “proceduralism” of the “professional-managerial class” for whom “rules and regulations, flow charts, quality reviews, audits and PowerPoints that form the main substance of their working life inevitably color their view of politics or even morality.” [...] Warren’s “I have a plan for that!” slogan appeals mainly to the PowerPoint masters of the lanyard class, not the people who have to navigate the byzantine maze of their oversight.

and also in the Telegraph:

...managerial class getting tax perks to feel good in their shiny new electric vehicles, while the manual classes... It’s the lanyard-wearing boss class who are enjoying the perks of subsidised electric vehicles...

PK-WIKI (talk) 21:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 7

Wikipedia:OPENLETTER

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

History of the United States (2008–2024)

• History of the United States (2008–2024) → History of the United States (2008–present)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect is the result of a bad page move but I don't think any CSD criteria applies to it. It is the result of an editor writing a new article that states that 2024 ushered a new era into American history. The article has now been moved to Draft space. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete for the reasons Liz gave. Nobody's going to look for an article by that name. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 21:15, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, given the scope of the redirect is present in the target article, and then some starting 2025. Steel1943 (talk) 01:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - whether this redirect would be useful is just based on WP:CRYSTALBALL BugGhost🦗👻 08:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  WP:CRYSTALBALL doesn't apply here since the date range in the redirect is included in the scope of the target. Steel1943 (talk) 20:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It's true that the date range is contained in the target - my point (which I admittedly didn't phrase well) is that whether this range (2008-2024) is a relevant set of bookends is currently impossible to determine. BugGhost🦗👻 00:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  What I'm trying to say is that's not relevant. I've seen several articles with incoming redirects that include date ranges which the target article includes, but is not entirely exclusive to. For example, see the list of incoming redirects to "List of Netflix original films". Steel1943 (talk) 01:06, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Someone using this search term will find the content they are looking for at the target. We gain nothing by making things harder for them. Thryduulf (talk) 20:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Who would be using this as a search term? Is it generally considered that American history ended in 2024? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:35, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mongola

• Mongola → Mongolia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

possible implausible misspelling TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Ambigous, could be aiming for Mongols (A and S are next to each other on qwerty keyboard). BugGhost🦗👻 20:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per BugGhost, ambiguous typo with both "Mongols" (typo by adjacent key substitution) and "Mongolia" (typo by omission) both of which are likely forms of typo to occur -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:44, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Waliugi

• Waliugi → Waluigi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

possible implausible misspelling TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Plausible misspelling, simple transposition BugGhost🦗👻 20:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This is not a misspelling, but a typo, and typos shouldn't have redirects -- letter transpositions can occur in any word in any position, and there's no particular reason to have this one. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I think the assumption that everyone knows the correct spelling of Waluigi, a fictional video game character who's name is based off a non-English first name, is a bit of a stretch BugGhost🦗👻 00:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  As mentioned immediately below, there is no phonetic explanation for this misspelling. It's much more likely a typo, and I find a comparable number of google hits for other transpositions, such as "waluiig" and "wauligi". I'm sure you could do the same for just about any word, but that doesn't mean we should keep such redirects. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  the pronunciation becomes way different, and the placement of the l and i (which is to say not glued together) is pretty easy to notice, so i'm not really feeling this one cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per IP. There is no plausible phonetic explanation. Unlikely misspelling, each are different from typos. Ca ^{talk to me!} 23:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above, especially considering that Liugi doesn't exist. Steel1943 (talk) 01:54, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom. waaaa cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Counrty

• Counrty → Country  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

possible implausible misspelling TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete. possibly also ambiguous with county cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:06, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - per cogsan, ambiguous BugGhost🦗👻 20:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per cogsan, ambiguous with "county" by keysmash typo with adjacent key addition, and "country" with adjacent character transposition, both common forms of typo classes -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kentuchy

• Kentuchy → Kentucky  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

possible implausible misspelling TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment looks like it could be an OCR error or a pronunciation spelling -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reccomend

• Reccomend → Recommendation  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ok this misspelling has like two errors. I don't think that's very plausible. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:39, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Plausible misspelling, common enough to have its own wikitionary page BugGhost🦗👻 20:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. We should not be promoting misspellings with multiple errors, such as the similar "ocassion", another misspelling with one "c" too many and one too few of the following consonant. Steel1943 (talk) 02:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Where are we "promoting" it? It's a redirect, not an article title BugGhost🦗👻 08:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Seems plausible to me, as it's one of those words where a reader could be asking themselves "is it double c or double m?". --Joy (talk) 09:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and mark as a {{R avoided double redirect}} of Recommend. This is a very common, unambiguous spelling error (indeed one I've made myself more than once), the redirect is not causing any harm but does provide value. Thryduulf (talk) 20:35, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as being a plausible misspelling, per above. We also list "recommend" at Commonly misspelled English words, with a similar misspelling with two "c"s. – Michael Aurel (talk) 01:45, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gardern

• Gardern → Garden  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

possible implausible misspelling TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Plausible phonetic misspelling BugGhost🦗👻 20:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, not a plausible phonetic misspelling as claimed above. A very small number of google hits, the majority of which seem to be some weird spammy automatically generated fake storefront stuff. The rest are more likely typos. Creator has a long history of making dubious redirects. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as {{r from misspelling}}: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=gardern&title=Special:Search&fulltext=1 Paradoctor (talk) 15:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep a very plausible phonetic misspelling of rhotic accent pronunciations. While many of the google hits are shopping sites, they are not all the same one, showing evidence of quite widespread use. Thryduulf (talk) 20:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stephoscope

• Stephoscope → Stethoscope  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

possible implausible misspelling TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Plausible phonetic misspelling BugGhost🦗👻 20:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, implausible. A very small number of google hits, the top of which are about a podcast with this as a punny, but intentional name, a far more likely search attempt. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  For me, google shows 5 sites using the spelling "stephoscope" incorrectly, and then the podcast - which has 4 reviews and 11 episodes, the last of which was published nearly 4 years ago. On other search engines it doesn't even appear on the first page. Stethoscope is far more likely to be the intended topic. BugGhost🦗👻 08:38, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Stethoscope is far more likely to be the intended topic. Doubtful. It's a reasonably common word, sounds different, and as I just noted, has a very small number of google hits, demonstrating implausibility (also note a whopping 0 occurrences in the ngrams corpora -- plausible misspellings usually show up there at least a little). Also note the creator of this has a history of making bad redirects. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  If it were 0 search engine results, then it would demonstrate implausibility. The fact there are results shows that it is a mistake people make. For this (and the other spelling based RFD's we are disagreeing on) I'm not saying we should rename the article or anything, just that I can imagine someone misspelling the word this way. If someone types "stephoscope" into the search bar, they are without a doubt attempting to get to Stethoscope - if we delete this redirect we gain nothing, and if we keep it literally nothing bad happens. I think crusades to delete harmless redirects are a waste of everyone's time, and are far more annoying than the redirects themselves. There is no benefit to deleting this. BugGhost🦗👻 17:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Monterrey La Raza (current)

• Monterrey La Raza (current) → Monterrey La Raza (2007–2010)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Outdated title. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 18:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak delete. This is the former title of the page and may have been accurate from when it was created (in 2006, interestingly, when there was talk of this team being created) to when the team folded in 2010, but it's still an outdated one. Regardless, for some reason, the redirect still seems to be getting a surprisingly high number of pageviews (like 61 last year and 79 this year). Regards, SONIC678 06:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It was still linked to a few pages, but I updated those redirects. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 03:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Relable sources

• Wikipedia:Relable sources → Wikipedia:Reliable sources  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely misspelling TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Was considering nominating this one, wasn't 100% about it, but since it's here, let's get this done. Steel1943 (talk) 18:29, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:AUTOCONFIMRED

• Wikipedia:AUTOCONFIMRED → Wikipedia:User access levels#Autoconfirmed and confirmed users  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely misspelling created due to an incoming link that probably should have just been corrected rather than having this redirect created. Steel1943 (talk) 16:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Found it and fixed it.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pauletta Brupbakher

• Pauletta Brupbakher → Paulette Brupbacher  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Double typo, unlikely search term, originated from a Wikidata error apparently Fram (talk) 16:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Double error (on my part): turns out it wasn't a wikidata error, but rather the spelling of her name transliterated from Russian. Since she was Russian (ish), it makes sense that we had it that way originally. I've fixed the Wikidata item and added the Russian spelling to the article now. -- asilvering (talk) 16:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Why wouldn't this be a valid redirect as a reasonable transliteration? czar 15:38, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Racially motivated violence

• Racially motivated violence → Ethnic conflict  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Only four articles currently make use of this redirect. In all four cases, "hate crime" would be a more appropriate target than "ethnic conflict". So I suggest retargeting the redirect to "hate crime". Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 15:57, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Racial violence redirects here too, should the two be considered together? Thryduulf (talk) 20:41, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Da. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 22:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blind tasting

• Blind tasting → Wine tasting#Blind tasting  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ambiguous name, as you can do a blind tasting of any alcohol. Plausible search terms for this include Blind wine tasting and Beer tasting#Blind tasting, so I suggest converting this into a DAB page. No evidence that wine tasting is the primary topic for this name. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:28, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to taste test and add other "blind" tasting subjects there, rather than creating a new disambiguation for this subset of the same thing. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:18, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to taste test per Ivanvector. This isn't limited to alcohol, it's commonly done for colas for example. Thryduulf (talk) 20:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FC Türkiye II

• FC Türkiye II → FC Türkiye Wilhelmsburg  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This could refer to the B-team of the target club, but it isn't mentioned in that page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - if the other thing this could refer to isn't mentioned on Wikipedia, then the redirect is fine. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Please see WP:RSURPRISE. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 02:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Show Business (TV series)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: resolved

Love Me (TV series)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn

Wikipedia:Picture turorial

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

It's time to d-d-d-d-duel

• It's time to d-d-d-d-duel → Yu-Gi-Oh!  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no mention of "d-d" at the target article. Per the RCATs, this is apparently a related meme quotation, yet does not appear anywhere as written within the article. People looking for Yu-Gi-Oh! can reach the subject by typing Yugioh. Hyphenating between all the d's, just to reach an undiscussed meme subject, does not seem particularly useful or helpful here. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:59, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Demonstrably helpful, give the steady daily usage count on the stats page, just in the past month. Unambiguous target. WP:CHEAP. Don't break people's workflow just for the sake of tidyness. Fieari (talk) 02:15, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Helpful to whom exactly? Personally, I search for a meme expecting information about a meme. 90% of people familiar with the meme know it's from Yu-Gi-Oh (or seems to be that way from [18], where it is discussed on KnowYourMeme). At the very least, readers expect to read about the thing they searched about. So readers get here thinking "oh so the meme is discussed on this page, great!" One then spends the next 50 thousand bytes searching and searching and nope, zero context, zero benefit. We don't need a redirect for "it's time to d-d-d-d-duel" if all it's going to imply is "this term is synonymous with the entire concept of the Yu-Gi-Oh! general topic article, with no specific section or anchor implied."

Memes are novel. I'm not surprised that people WANT to learn about it here, yet still not useful as a 1-to-1 redirect as it currently leaves people lost on a page without any information for their meme search term, and no mention of "meme" at Yu-Gi-Oh. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 03:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters. This isn't simply a meme-- it's a direct quotation from the original opening sequence for the English dub of this specific anime, with most meme-ification of this quote simply extending the "d-d-d-d-d-d" stuttery part, or otherwise playing around with it and the Yu-Gi-Oh anime's characters in general. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, it's a meme then. I'm well aware of the Yu-Gi-Oh sequence in question, and the associated meme and its derivations. It's clearly not a "direct quotation", else this text (hyphens and all) would appear in the episode transcript here: [19]. Regardless, thank you for suggesting a more-related option. But it's still an unmentioned meme. How does this have any bearing on the likelihood of typing a d, followed by a hyphen, followed by a d, followed by a hyphen, followed by a d, followed by a hyphen, followed by a d, followed by a hyphen, followed by a d, followed by "uel"? And all to end up at an article for the series where the meme being sought isn't mentioned, nor any of the meme-spellings? Even in the anime and the video you linked, they stutter like 9 times, so even that aspect isn't accurate within this redirect, and none of It's time to duel, It's time to d-duel, It's time to d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-d-duel (is nommed), It's time to d-d-d-d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-duel, It's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-duel exist, or It's time to dduel, It's time to ddduel, It's time to dddduel, or It's time to ddddduel for that matter. Past precedent has indicated that random hyphens inserted into words is not useful, obfuscates the terms that are actually spoken, and makes searches impractical. And at least for these precedent discussions, they were for quotes which appeared at the target, iirc (in an unmodified/natural state that is, I think). The quote is officially "it's time to duel". Anything beyond that, makes it a meme/meme version. Someone committing to the 5 ds/4 hyphens combination is deliberately typing in a meme into the search engine, so if maintained, the content should reflect that. Neither the real version nor any of the meme variations are covered at the new suggested target either, and Wikipedia is not a collection of memes. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 16:34, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: There's It’s time to du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-duel!, btw. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 19:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for finding this hyphens, Hyphenation Expert; imo you have definitely earned the title of "expert in hyphenation" for this one 😌 lol.

  For that redirect, the title stutters 8 times, which that number happens to have a bit more basis in reality, compared to this one which stutters 4. (Side note, the edit summary for that redirect is... certainly interesting...). I'm hesitant to bundle these though, as the redirect you found here at least sounds a bit closer to what occurs in the Yu-Gi-Oh sequence, with the ~correct amount of 8 or 9 ds, so slightly more plausible. There may be a case for deletion there (no other du-du-dus exist), but I think the smaller scope and just one redirect here is fine for now. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 19:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Conerve

• Conerve → Nerve complex  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "conerve" at the target article. Possibly a portmanteau of "complex nerve"? But without a definition, is confusing. I'm getting mixed results when I type in "conerve" in search engines, which say something about a "conerve capsule"(?) (but are generally about being one letter off of "conserve"). In any case, without a mention, there is currently nothing suitable for incoming readers using this search term. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 21:06, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Cotangent_complex#Flat_descent, where it is briefly discussed. It would be good for the Nerve complex article to describe conerves and associated cosimplicial complexes. But until that happens, the bit in Cotangent_complex is probably our best target. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 11:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cowboy Luttrell

• Cowboy Luttrell → National Wrestling Alliance  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "Cowboy" or "Luttrell" at the target article. Not a helpful redirect if we have no content on this supposed individual wrestler at the target article for the NWA. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 21:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Also known as Cowboy Luttrall. Retarget to Championship Wrestling from Florida where discussed in most detail. Probably notable, anyhow. J947 ‡ ^edits 23:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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April 31

• April 31 → List of non-standard dates  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The only reasoning for this appears to be "Java (specifically the java.util.Calendar class) allows dates such as February 0 (= January 31) and April 31 (= March 1)." The problem is that that particular class in Java seems to accept any integer for the date. I tested "April 366" which showed up as March 31 of the next year. The internet does say that there is a reference to "April 31" in the The Long Walk by Stephen King, but it is purposely supposed to be a fictional date, even within that universe. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• The statement was added unsourced (and shouldn't it be "May 1"?). Even if factual, "April 31" is totally arbitrary: it could apply to anything, #September 31, March 32, your "April 366", etc. (fyi Bfinn) Hyphenation Expert (talk) 02:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The same can be said about December 32, January 0, February 30, and many others. The redirect isn't to imply it's factual or not, it's to fulfill the gaps for the day 31 every month has in Wikipedia, such as June 31 and February 31. Web-julio (talk) 07:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Each of those has unique encyclopedic information. Unlike September 31.

  And note, "filling in the gaps" is just WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 10:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Except OTHERSTUFFEXISTS exists on Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions essay (note: not policy), and this is a discussion page (the D in AfD stands for deletion while the D from RfD means discussion).

  Filling the gaps is exactly why many redirects exist, and other stuff existing is the main reason why many redirects should be kept. And for example, different from AfD, WP:CHEAP, WP:USEFUL (see also WP:RFD#KEEP), and HARMLESS are valid arguments to use in RfD, and they are used frequently, including this current page. Web-julio (talk) 03:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  RfDs are deletion discussions, because this is where the deletion of redirects is discussed. That "deletion" is not in the title of the venue is irrelevant. Thryduulf (talk) 12:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  is the existence of outcomes other than "keep" and "delete" (retarget, disambiguate, etc.) enough to disagree with that? rfd is a discussion venue, and deletion is one of the possible results cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 11:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  But there's Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid on discussion pages, which distinguishes AfD and RfD. This is a discussion that proposes a deletion, so technically is a deletion discussion, but not every RfD is a deletion discussion. Well, neither some AfDs, but why would someone AfD proposing to merge or rename if there are specific tools for that? The alternative is redirect in an AfD, but even there some see this as a form of deletion.

  Nonetheless, that essay still says that what doesn't apply in an AfD may or may not apply to other forms of discussions. Also Wikipedia:When to use or avoid "other stuff exists" arguments. Web-julio (talk) 17:13, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Honestly, I'm not sure why it matters that WP:ATA is "Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions". The aim of the essay is to list off ways of "contributing" to a given discussion that may instead just hinder the discussion, such as WP:JUSTAVOTE, WP:ATA#CRYSTAL, or, indeed, WP:OTHERSTUFF. As the opener to the essay itself states, While this page is tailored to deletion discussion, be that of articles, templates, images, categories, stub types, or redirects, these arguments to avoid may also apply to other discussions, such as about deleting article content, moving pages, etc. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:59, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment - the target mentions Excel, but doesn't get into the use of these nonstandard dates in formulas (it only mentions the weird 1900 problem). In Excel and programs like it, if you add one day to the last day of a month, it returns the first day of the following month. It doesn't recognize April 31 as a valid date if you write it in a cell directly, but April 30 + 1 = May 1. I'm not sure if that could fit into content in the article, or if it's more prominent than other uses that have been suggested here. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget. May 1 was the 2014 discussion outcome. But April 30 might be the likely sought-for page for users who simply forgot April's last date. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 22:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous "planet 3" redirects

• Planet Three → Earth  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• 3rd planet → Earth  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Third planet → Earth  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• 3rd Planet → Earth  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• 1st planet → Mercury (planet)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• 2nd planet → Venus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• 4th planet → Mars  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Earth is, unsurprisingly, not the only "planet three". This is a highly ambiguous and fairly implausible search term. Ditto for the rest. Delete. Cremastra (u — c) 01:45, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment these are probably trying to complement the names used for outer planets and theorized planets. (Planet Nine / Planet Ten / Planet X / Planet V ... ) but the phrase "3rd planet from the Sun" and "Sol III" are commonly used in certain circles to refer to the Earth... -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:13, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete My initial thought was to keep as a primary topic. But Google searches show that, in fact, Earth is not the primary topic for any of these phrases. I receive mainly hits for various non-notable businesses. As such, I agree with the nominator that this is highly ambiguous. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:14, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Note to closer: this !vote applies to the redirects bundled by Cremastra after I made the original comment as well. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete the first one, keep the three others, there is no ambiguity, except in the first one.

21 Andromedae (talk) 18:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@21.Andromedae Why is only first one ambiguous? Thanks, Cremastra (u — c) 19:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Planet three isn't the same as 3rd planet, and nobody calls Earth as planet three. 21 Andromedae (talk) 20:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment: I have bundled "1st planet", "2nd planet", and "4th planet" in this discussion. Cremastra (u — c) 19:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Other planetary systems do exist, but none is so ingrained into popular knowledge as ours so that random people would be able to name all of its planets, and in order to boot. Right now and for a very long time in the future, "first", "second", "third" and "fourth" planet, said in isolation, will always mean implicitly "...of the Solar System". Cambalachero (talk) 19:52, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep the ordinal ones per Cambalachero. I'm unsure about Planet Three. Looking around there's definitely other uses for this term. There is a publisher (for example redlinked on Mad About Boys), an internet(?) company mentioned on .cx, and probably most notably Arthur C. Clarke's "Report on Planet Three And Other Speculations". In that case it clearly is referring to the Earth. Given it is only a partial title match and given there's no actual articles about any of these things I very weakly lean keep but don't have a strong objection to deletion or targeting somewhere else. A7V2 (talk) 00:58, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete all. It is not inherently obvious that a reader is intending to determine the order from the Sun. Maybe they are looking for an estimated time when each planet was actually created, or some other chronological construct. And even then, why this solar system? Steel1943 (talk) 18:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete all, mercury was not the first planet to exist. Earth was the first planet to be inhabited by humans. The gauge for determining a scale of "what planet is first" is WP:OR and these descriptions do not seem to be mentioned as "first planet" at the target articles of Mercury (planet) and etc, without the necessary context of "first planet away from the sun". Without the context, this is ambiguous. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 09:29, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Last time I checked we're in this solar system so many of those planets are likely to be primary for us even if other planets exist in other solar systems but these as noted may be too ambiguous even in our solar system. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Her Royal Hotness

• Her Royal Hotness → Pippa Middleton  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 December 8 § Her Royal Hotness – no consensus

This designation is not mentioned at the subject. Redirect is confusing, misleading, ambiguous and undiscussed. People looking for this term are looking for encyclopedic coverage of such a buzzword "her royal hotness", which is not currently found at the page for Pippa Middleton nor anywhere on Wikipedia. This is a novel term, and hasn't ever been mentioned at the subject's article, since the last bout in 2020. No coverage of the phrase "her royal hotness" anywhere on Wikipedia, so this WP:Surprising non-RS term should be removed. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. The are oh so many ladies (and dishes) with this nickname. The only one link in the first page of Google search that mentions the current target is actually this redirect. It is therefore grossly misleading. Викидим (talk) 07:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Created by a user now globally banned from all wikimedia projects. Celia Homeford (talk) 13:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per all of the above. Renerpho (talk) 19:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Ambiguous target, and the term is insufficiently notable/encyclopedic for disambiguation. Fieari (talk) 03:58, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• My !vote was previously based on personal experience of hearing this term generically applied to nearly any "hot girl", particularly those seen as "higher class", by peers. Google, on the other hand, makes it fairly clear that this is attested to refer to this one person, so extremely consistently it makes for an overwhelming WP:PTOPIC. No, it's not mentioned in the article, nor should it be, as the vast number of sources that use it so overwhelmingly often are not reliable... but redirects are not article content, and need not be held to the same sourcing or inclusion standards. This redirect will help users who encounter the term in the wild find out who is being referred to. Fieari (talk) 05:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep a cursory web search [20][21][22] seems to show this 'Pippa Middleton' is the primary topic of "Her Royal Hotness" [23][24][25][26][27][28], even calling the actress who portrays her on The Crown as being cast as such. [29][30] -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 11:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete, not mentioned at the target, and apparently pretty ambiguous about whom it could refer to anyway. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete if WP:RSURPRISE applies, which it seems it currently does; in my experiences, if there's not a good reason to add a term to an article, it either doesn't apply or is some sort of combination of WP:NEO, WP:SEO and/or WP:OR, which we don't want here. Also, to respond to the struck vote above, if it's not mentioned, the redirect would continue to be a {{R without mention}}, which puts the redirect in a maintenance category prompting the redirect to eventually end up on RFD ... which is exactly what happened here, and there's no reason to repeat the same steps that were prompted by the same problem. Steel1943 (talk) 17:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - searching for "her royal hotness" on various search engines returns many results for Pippa. Purposely omitting her from those results returns practically nothing: one novel by a not-well-known author, and a few non-notable shades of lipstick. Not really that ambiguous at all, and we're here to help readers find the information they're looking for. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 20:29, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Site-specific Comedy Opera

• Site-specific Comedy Opera → Improv Everywhere#Fake U2 Concert  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

According to the internet "site-specific theatre refers to a theatre performance which is staged in a non-traditional space". This needs to be re-targetted, but I'm unsure where. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 11:17, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak Keep - If you're being specific enough to type this entire phrase, I don't think you'd be WP:ASTONISHed to end up at this target. I'm not sure we have better. Fieari (talk) 02:04, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete, definitely do not keep but open to retargeting as necessary. No mention of "site-specific" or "opera" at the target article, so people searching for this term would be misled by the promise of content on this term that we don't have. No mention of "Site-specific Comedy Opera" anywhere on Wikipedia, so honestly this should probably just be deleted as the RfD default (no valuable history being lost), but OP seems to think there could be another target possibility. I can't think of one so I say delete for now. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 09:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I meant retarget if there is a good target. If not, then deletion would be my !vote. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2025 Dutch general election

• 2025 Dutch general election → Elections in the Netherlands  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no election planned in 2025 Dajasj (talk) 18:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Refine to Elections in the Netherlands#2023 general election. According to 2023 Dutch general election, that election was expected to take place in 2025 but was called early on short notice, so this is a very plausible search term. I've added a summary to the target article that explains this. Thryduulf (talk) 13:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Would then be more sustainable to link to redirect to 2023 Dutch general election, because the section header will be changed after the next election (and we will have forgotten about it). Also avoids duplicating content.

  More generally I disagree with redirecting with a hypothetical situation, but in this specific case it is also ambiguous because 2025 could also refer to a hypothetical snap election after 2023 (if the cabinet fell today, that would be the earliest moment). Dajasj (talk) 13:47, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The cabinet failing before the next expected election is different to the expected next election unexpectedly not happening. Sources regularly talk about the next expected election, so there will be sources from pre-July 2023 talking about the 2025 elections that people will see and search for information about. Sources since that date don't expect 2025 elections, they talk about 2028 elections in the expected manner. If elections do happen in 2025 then obviously this redirect will be correctly usurped by an article about those elections. That article will mention the circumstances and explain things for those who arrive looking for what became the 2023 election. Thryduulf (talk) 13:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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三州府

• 三州府 → Straits Settlements  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There's two possible targets for 三州府: Straits Settlements and Suong. 三州府 is an old alternative Chinese-language name Straits Settlements, and 三州府市 (三州府 + city) is the name historically and currently used by Chinese-speakers and Chinese Cambodians people for Suong. The Chinese Wikipedia has chosen to solve this with a disambiguation page zh:三州府, so this term seemingly cannot be tied very strongly to one article. I'm not seeing how we could create a local policy-compliant dab page. Given the very high bar needed to have a non-English redirect page, we should probably delete this. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 20:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Cambodia is not a Chinese language subject. But the Straits Settlements are due to the high Chinese population of the region. Thus regardless of what Chinese Wikipedia does, on English Wikipedia, the only subject with affinity for Chinese is the Straits Settlements, and not Suong, Cambodia. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 12:11, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update I stand corrected on the status of Chinese in Suong, being that there is a large population of such in Suong; therefore I recommend that this page be disambiguated per WP:CJKV {{Chinese title disambiguation}} and create a WP:2DAB like that on Chinese Wikipedia because both locations have large Chinese populations and both locations have carried this Chinese name. ;; So either Keep as is and hatnote Suong, or disambiguate -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per the ip editor. A hatnote can be added if really desired, but I don't think it is required. Thryduulf (talk) 13:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment, per the Chinese Wikipedia article for Suong, Cambodia, 80 per cent of the population in the city are of Chinese ethnicity, so the above rationale might not be valid. However, it doesn't appear to be cited properly (the current source does not provide such information). If there is some related reliable source found, then perhaps a dab, otherwise keep. Sun8908 _Talk 15:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Anecdotal evidence- I mean if we compare the length and detail of the zhWiki article to the Khmer article, I wouldn't be surprised if the statement that 80% of the population are Sino-Khmer turns out to be true. Baidu Baike(keeping in mind WP:BAIDU and all) also repeats the statistic, citing it to what looks to be an offline database. (@Sun8908, does it look obviously unreliable in this case?)

  But back to the matter at hand- Wiktionary lists the Cambodian city first, emphasizing that the usage of 三州府 is "historical". Again, uncited, but I googled and the Promote Mandarin Council (in Singapore) seemingly confirms this, writing that the name was used most in the early days. The Cantonese Wikipedia lists their (unsourced) article for the Straits Settlement under the name 三洲府, but zhWiki only mentions once that it's an unofficial name. Our own article doesn't mention the name at all. It's clearly not a clear-cut matter.

  When I google "三洲府", my own results are pretty evenly split between the city and the settlement, which I think is why the editors on zhWiki chose to make a dab page in the end. They seemed to have the opposite problem as us, actually, with their initial redirect pointing, for four years, to the article about Suong. I'm not suggesting we should follow them, I'm just pointing out that there is unlikely to be a dominant topic. I suppose if somebody wants to make a dab page, they could, I suppose? Three States is a direct translation, and already a dab page, but I don't think we really make dab pages for direct translations where the direct translation is not used in English. A dab for the direct transliteration might be better, if anybody wants to make one? I'm not convinced it would aid people trying to navigate the English Wikipedia, but I suppose it wouldn't be harmful. A hatnote could be a solution, but I'm not sure how useful non-English/Latin hatnotes for unofficial names are.

  On a personal note, this is why WP:RLOTE based on unofficial nicknames can be problematic- the predominant argument to keep is that Suong, Cambodia has no affinity with the Chinese language. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 21:27, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Just want you to note that we indeed have dab pages with Chinese characters as title. We could do that if it turns out there isn't a main article between the two entries. That being said, a main article should be decided with the likeliness that English speaker would more likely want to search. I think there are Chinese-language newspapers in Cambodia using that name to refer to the Cambodian city, so it might worth a dab. Sun8908 _Talk 05:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry I missed reading the reliability of the source on Baidu Baike. I am not familiar with the site but I cannot see a link for that citation. I cannot search any useful information about the database / centre by simply searching on Baidu or Google. (Note: there seems to be a lot of database with a similar name, I don't know which to look for) However, that citation seems to be used by a lot of articles on Baidu Baike. Unfortunately, only verified users can see the edit history, so I cannot get any further information from there. I don't feel like it is particularly useful as I cannot find information about the database / centre. Sun8908 _Talk 11:25, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Convert to a disambi , I have no further comment. Jothefiredragon🐲talk🐉edits 08:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Licensing Letter

• The Licensing Letter → Brand licensing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Redirect title appears to be a company name that's loosely related? Not mentioned at target article, possible promotion LR.127 (talk) 01:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Like License Global that's mentioned in the article The Licensing Letter is a trade publication that covers the licensing industry. They used to publish their top brand lists from 2010 to 2018 (used here List of highest-grossing media franchises) and have been mentioned in reliable sources like The Hollywood Reporter. [31], The Morning Call [32],Chicago Tribune [33][34], Star Tribune [35] , among others. Timur9008 (talk) 05:25, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Żwaniec

• Żwaniec → Zhvanets  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This article exists at Polish Wikipedia - therefore, appears to be a translated name that's not significant to the target article. LR.127 (talk) 01:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It is not a translated name, but a historical Polish name, as it was part of Poland for several centuries. The redirect is similar to many other towns, which were formerly part of Poland, Hungary, Lithuania, Romania, Denmark, Germany, etc, but whose state affiliation has changed since, and there are articles in which the town is mentioned under its Polish name as a reference to the history of that period. Marcin 303 (talk) 10:58, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Solidarity, Ecology, Left Alternative

• Solidarity, Ecology, Left Alternative → Miscellaneous left  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

not mentioned at target article. Ironically, when searching this term on the internet, the article for Eco-socialism popped up. LR.127 (talk) 00:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Manush Shah

• Manush Shah → Table tennis in India  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No point in this redirect, there is no much coverage about him in this page. he is mentioned in some events. should be deleted until an actual article is made. Sports2021 (talk) 00:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 6

Football in American Samoa

• Football in American Samoa → Soccer in American Samoa  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The sport of "football" in American Samoa typically refers to American Football, which has much greater participation among American Samoans than does Association Football. I propose that this be either retargeted to American Football in American Samoa, or that a dab page be created between the two. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 23:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambig per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 12:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per nom. American Samoa uses American English, a hatnote can be added for non-native speakers for any rugby or soccer topic articles. There are many American Samoans who play(ed) in top level American football. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per nom. A hatnote to Soccer in American Samoa would also be useful for our readers. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:57, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tim McBride

• Tim McBride → Sarah McBride  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Pre-notability deadname not mentioned in article. It's unlikely anyone knows of her by this name but not her current name. Fathoms Below (talk) 22:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and add mention in the personal history. We do not delete history just because it is inconvenient -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:DEADNAME: no notability established under that name. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 22:54, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Snowball delete, salt and RevDel per WP:GENSEX and preferred practice in enforcement of that decision of RevDel'ing all deadnaming attempts not consistent with policy. There is really no need to have this discussion here before doing this. Once that is done, the same should be done with this discussion. Daniel Case (talk) 00:23, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  What would revdel even do for a deleted article? The deletion log and pointer to this discussion is still valuable to keep a record of. And salting is probably overkill. At most, ECP would probably stop the casual troll or good-faith but misguided newish editor. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete on the merits, as not mentioned at target, but I disagree with Daniel Case - a redirect created a decade ago by an admin in good standing deserves a discussion, and there's absolutely no reason to try to censor even internal references (nor is doing so practical). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Cbrown1023 talk 05:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  If the IP above hadn't voted "keep", this vote would have made the redirect eligible for {{Db-g7}}. Steel1943 (talk) 20:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  She is a politician who has made it part of her political activities, the issue of gender identity, so it would seem that her history should be in her biography. Thus meriting a mention of this name. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:57, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Her deadname isn't notable at all Turtletennisfogwheat (talk) 08:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as long as it's not mentioned in the article, which consensus seems to be against doing. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:RSURPRISE. Steel1943 (talk) 20:29, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Name not mentioned at target, and likely will never be per MOS:DEADNAME.

-insert valid name here- (talk) 21:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete She was never notable under that name, so we should not include that name. Salt this if anyone tries to recreate it. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:29, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Busy2

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: G5 speedy deleted by User:Amortias

Template:Wikipedia ads single

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

47th president

• 47th president → Donald Trump  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ambiguous. 47th President of the United States already exists. MSMST1543 (talk) 21:25, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - as far as I can tell the United States is in fact the only country with a 47th president. If I'm wrong then feel free to strike my !vote. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 22:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as ambiguous. Plutarco Elías Calles, Guillermo Lasso, René Barrientos, Ricardo Pérez Godoy, Luis Guillermo Solís, Álvaro Colom, Nicanor Duarte...Latin America seems to go through presidents rather more quickly than the U.S. :) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:08, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @A bit iffy, @Extraordinary Writ, @Fathoms Below, @Ivanvector, @MSMST1543, @Steel1943, Has anyone thought about converting this to a disambiguation page rather than deletion? Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't think this is necessary, and a complete disambiguation page would be very long indeed: there are also 47th presidents of courts and legislatures and universities and charities and bar associations and satirical micronations and who knows what else. (Most of these people aren't usually referred to as the "47th president" standing alone, but I'm not really sure Trump is either.) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  For our purposes @Extraordinary Writ, my inclusion criteria for “47th president” would only be for heads of state or heads of the government. We could come up with a less ambiguous title though for the disambiguation. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 16:01, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. I'm the creator of the original redirect. Although it was only a few weeks ago I cannot actually remember doing this (I create a lot of redirects). Probably I was thinking of people coming across the term "47th president" somewhere and searching for it in Wikipedia to find out what it referred to, it most likely being the US president. Assigning sequential numbers to presidents is something I associate with presidents of the US (I'm not aware of other bodies that do this, but I don't doubt others do). I don't have an opinion on what should be done with the redirect.--A bit iffy (talk) 07:28, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Extraordinary Writ. Fathoms Below (talk) 16:27, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Extraordinary Writ's findings. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete since the US is younger than countries with almost 100 presidents during their lifetimes. Steel1943 (talk) 20:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate – since there’s been multiple 47th presidents; I agree that we shouldn’t be redirecting to Trump. But maybe instead of deleting it; we should turn this into a disambiguation page; that way all 47th presidents can be listed that way. --Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matsubara dialect

• Matsubara dialect → Tokunoshima language  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention in target article. Google search pulls little results bar city existence and being a Japanese dialect. Blethering Scot 21:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If they're called dialects (方言), they're actually Ryukyuan dialects, and not part of Japanese (see Japanese dialects). As for the existence of the Matsubara dialect, there are some information about the pitch accent data from a quick search:

https://doi.org/10.15002/00012659

I wonder what else could be the criteria. Chuterix (talk) 21:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nesebu dialect

• Nesebu dialect → Amami Ōshima language  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention in target article. No google hits on dialect, except for place existing. Blethering Scot 21:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Early Netherlandish painters

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Withdrawn

List of Greek words with English derivatives

• List of Greek words with English derivatives → English words of Greek origin  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous AfDs for this article:

• Articles for deletion/List of Greek morphemes used in English

The target is not a list of Greek words. The target is about English words, and not in a list. People searching for such a list would not find it at the target article, and with the preference of "greek words" being used first, the desire is for an article centralized around Greek words, which is not available. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:46, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note for those interested in WP nostalgia, this has 2001 history. Honestly, one of the strangest page histories I've seen around. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 01:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep. The target contains multiple lists of Greek words, so that part of the nomination is incorrect. Any list of English words of Greek origin that notes the original Greek word (as this does) is necessarily also a list of Greek words with English derivatives. The only issue is that the lists are organised by the English word rather than the Greek word. Does that make this misleading or otherwise not useful? I don't think so, but if a better target is available somewhere then it should be retargetted there. Thryduulf (talk) 13:01, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Interlingue periodicals

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

List of molecules by year of discovery

• List of molecules by year of discovery → Lists of molecules  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The target list of molecules has no mention of a "year of discovery". Is currently a misleading redirect as this cannot be sorted for in the target article's current state. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:49, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment This was previously an article that was created in March 2018 by Zchemic then prodded and endorsed the same day by Graeme Bartlett and Edgar181 respectively. The concern was "This list is going to be useless as there are millions of molecules known, and it will become too massive. The idea of making and discovery of the molecules is also confused". The following day Zchemic redirected the article to the present target. Thryduulf (talk) 12:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment – Edgar181 was blocked by Arbcom and is indefinitely site banned on English Wikipedia. No opinion regarding the redirect. Hurricane Clyde 🌀^{my talk page!} 03:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete completely as this is useless as a redirect, and useless as an article. Perhaps in future there could be an article extending History of molecular theory with early discoveries. Anything after the 19th century would be far too much. And in the much earlier times the idea of molecule was less clear, and discoverers did not think they were finding molecules. I think that List of gases could have year of discovery added as a column. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, this redirect is misleading because it wrongly suggests we have a list of molecules by discovery year. There is a List of drugs by year of discovery linked to at the target article, but that's not the same thing. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 06:56, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Restore and take to Afd if desired. I get WP:NOTBURO, but all we can/should do here is decide that it's not a good redirect, i.e. WP:BLAR was not a good WP:ATD in this case. WP:AFD is the proper venue to decide whether enwiki could/should have a list article like this, after the deprod. Mdewman6 (talk) 07:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Restore per Mdewman6. Thryduulf (talk) 12:15, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Graeme Bartlett. Restoration should not happen without evidence of notability or arguments that the list may be keepable. Unlike perhaps a couple others, I have faith that RfD participants can figure that out without needing to punt to a second discussion. -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:59, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The point is that RfD participants are not the ones who should be deciding notability, because determining notability is the job of AfD participants. Thryduulf (talk) 20:25, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If there was no chance of it not being deleted at Afd, then yes, we should delete here per WP:SNOWBALL. But that's not the case here. Yes, such a list could never be complete, but enwiki has many such lists, like List of molecules. It never got the chance to be expanded, as it was immediately improperly redirected (improper because if it were deemed we shouldn't have such a list, it was unreasonable to expect anyone searching it to find the information at a different, broader list.) Mdewman6 (talk) 23:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Neverwinter Nights characters

• List of Neverwinter Nights characters → Neverwinter Nights  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Previous AfDs for this article:

• Articles for deletion/List of Neverwinter Nights characters

There is no such "list of characters" at the target article. The only character that is EVER mentioned at the target, is the unnamed "player character", and one mention of a "King of Shadows" in passing. Was created as a result of the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Neverwinter Nights characters AfD. Nevertheless, this is not a helpful redirect in its current form. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and restore the content underneath (deleted edits from prior to 2016) so that a proper character list can be created at the target article. 2016 is the bad old days when non-notable stuff was deleted before redirection, even though ATD policy was still the same, we didn't always do it right. Also, naming convention is pretty standard--if you're cleaning up problematic/confusing redirects, this ain't one of them. Jclemens (talk) 07:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Agreeing with Clemens somewhat. While the list itself is very unlikely to ever be revived, it serves as a record and and helps link to the AfD discussion that took place, which also has a list of potential sources.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• I'll reproduce here what I wrote on my talk page: The consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Neverwinter Nights characters was to delete and redirect, not only to redirect. Undeleting the deleted content would be contrary to the AfD outcome. It would need overturning the AfD closure, which would need to be done at DRV, not here. What's more, I can't even find deleted content to undelete. The deletion log indicates some sort of technical issue in 2016. Sandstein 07:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I think this should be kept: a) For historical reasons. b) It's just the next best thing we have. There are hits, an people are redirected there, showing what little we have and that we don't have a separate article. c) That's where new content would be added. And there is such content! I can't say if there's enough to establish notability and could change the outcome in a deletion review, but there's more than during the time of the deletion discussion. Examples would be his Kotaku article or this book, p. 20-21. I'd like to add such commentary, but I have too much on my plate already. Daranios (talk) 08:14, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and restore the content under the redirect, as per Jclemens; the contents of the old list are now at User:Jclemens/List of Neverwinter Nights characters so they can be moved back to article space. A short list can be merged into the main article until it can be spun back out again. BOZ (talk) 12:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It's not clear to me how this got to my userspace. 2016 was after I'd was no longer an admin. Did I request restoration in the past and then forgot about it, or did someone just do this? Jclemens (talk) 00:01, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  You may have asked me to do that as I was still an admin at that time. BOZ (talk) 23:21, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as an old redirect with history, and I honestly believe said history should be restored if possible, even if only to the history of this redirect. Fieari (talk) 05:35, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This redirect is not old (2016 from a recent-ish AfD), and does not contain any valuable history. This RfD turnout is quite surprising all within a few minutes tbh. There is still NO characters at the target article, so the redirect is still misleading and this has not been remedied. All the history is in userspace which can be reinstated when it is ready. Does not need a misleading "list" redirect in the meantime. Sources can be copied to the Neverwinter Nights talk page, or grabbed from the AfD directly. We don't do redirects for the "next best thing we have", when we actually have nothing. The only thing that needed to be true for this redirect was to have "characters listed", and Neverwinter Nights does not even manage this in its current state. Articles don't need to exist as a redirect just to indicate where content "should" be added. In fact the opposite is true per WP:REDYES. There is no such content on Wikipedia for this topic at this moment. The only possibility would be to delete List of Neverwinter Nights characters (the replacement created by Sandstein), and move in the material from User:Jclemens/List of Neverwinter Nights characters to the same title, if consensus indicates material should be held here. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 09:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  8 years is not old? I understand it's not from the 200x's, but 8 years is still a pretty long time... Fieari (talk) 23:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - per nom., there is no list. The redirect is somewhat misleading and not helpful. Neverwinter Nights is the obvious search term, and if someone did, for some reason, search on this full name they would be better served with this list of results [36] rather than being jumped to a page that has no list. A case of a redirect actually making things worse. Old content is userfied and can be developed, so that consideration is moot. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete, if without prejudice to recreating if usable sources are found. list not present. i think misleading readers would do more harm than losing track of an afd thread in a mainspace page's edit history. even then, deletion would most likely link people attempting to recreate it to this discussion, which in turn links to that discussion, so... cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since when do redirects need sources? Jclemens (talk) 23:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I presume it refers to sources at the target article, to substantiate a mention of multiple characters and allow readers to receive sourced content, when it is specified in the search bar (via this redirect) that the reader SPECIFICALLY wants a "list of characters", one that we don't have anywhere in mainspace, nor any sources for. Redirects do need to be "reliably sourceable", because all material in mainspace must be verifiable, and redirects are material, and redirects are in mainspace. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:29, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We should indeed have a list of characters at the target, but the content is already available even if not in that page currently. No, redirects don't need to be reliably sourced, per WP:RPURPOSE. Jclemens (talk) 07:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RPURPOSE is a guideline; WP:V is policy. Redirects too must be verifiable. Alternate spellings can be verified by WP:COMMONSENSE. What reason-for-maintaining bullet point does this redirect (a redirect indicating a "list of characters") meet on WP:RPURPOSE? Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, since COMMONSENSE can satisfy V, then, V's not really an issue, is it? Jclemens (talk) 00:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i said i'd have no prejudice against recreation if sources could be found cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 10:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but that doesn't explain why deleting a redirect to a notable work of fiction would be influenced in any way by sourcing--presumably, non-primary sourcing--for a set of elements that meet WP:CSC clause 2. Jclemens (talk) 20:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are secondary sources out there which would allow to include some commentary on characters as a group and individually into the target, but which have not yet been employed. Like [37] or [38]. Or, from a very different angle, an analytical comment on player characters on Dungeons, Dragons, and Digital Denizens, p. 20-21. Daranios (talk) 11:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have now included a rudimentary listing of characters in the Reception section, with potential for expansion based on said secondary sources, which I hope solves the gravest misgivings of Utopes and cogsan. Based on this I'd argue for the inclusion of the old, userfied page into the history of the redirect, as it could be used as a basis to search for more secondary sources, if someone should desire to do so. Daranios (talk) 16:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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i don't think some examples in the reception section would count as enough to warrant a list redirect, so i guess my vote stays for the moment, with equally little prejudice against recreation cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 23:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cogsan: So what in your view is still lacking for such a redirect to be justified? Number of characters? Description/commentary? Presentation in bulletpoint form or some such? Daranios (talk) 14:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what i think is missing is a list. "list of knives" probably shouldn't link to an article that only mentions santoku and bread knives, as an example. also as an example, characters of deltarune and that other game doesn't mention every character (where's lemon bread?), but it does have a good handful

so yeah, "number of characters" is the closest to my answer among the options provided, and if reliable sources only seem to cover three of them in any level of detail, i'd say press the big ol' return to red button cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:54, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cogsan: Thanks. WP:RETURNTORED starts with "If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article". It might, but though it pains me to say, the last AfD dedided that it did not have the potential to be expandied into its own article then. So do you still not like the redirect even though to my knowledge there is no other article which would cover even the four/five characters we have at the target now? Or to look at it from the other direction, what would be the number for characters you would see as the minimum for an embedded list to not want to delete our redirect? Daranios (talk) 09:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly is the problem here? Red link or redirect, if you can disprove the old AfD by finding sources that allow a new list article to be written, then you can just do that! Retaining this redirect doesn't help. The redirect does not have the old article history, so that argument for keeping it is moot. The old article history is available and userfied, so you have that. You are arguing like this is AfD but the only consideration is whether this is a useful redirect. On that score, it clearly isn't. There are at least nine articles that show up in search if you look for Neverwinter Nights [39]. Now if someone is looking for a list of Neverwinter nights characters, the redirect chooses to send them to one of these pages and ignore the others. The reader is taken to a page that does not list the characters, and does not meet their information requirement. If anyone were actually interested in all of the characters, they are better off seeing all nine articles listed, which will give them a fuller picture, rather than being taken to a page that does not answer their information requirement but pretends to. I just do not see what the benefit is of retaining a redirect that has no history and no utility. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

wouldn't the fact that it was deemed that there weren't enough sources for an article then, and that that's still the case now, be more reason to delete?

i have some level of hope that it might be possible to create that list someday, i just know that that's not today cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) I am not sure if I could disprove the AfD in the form of establishing this as a notable topic, and I don't currently have the time (or rather priority based on many other open to-do ideas) to make sure one way or another. And that is not the issue. (I'd be for restoring the userfied history as I said. But the history I was originally referring to was the link to the deletion discussion in the talk page.) I am pretty sure that I could create an embedded list, and for that it would be useful to know opinions how (big) such a list should look to make sense. Just as one project utilizing secondary sources on this topic which have not been (fully) used yet. On the other hand, the AfD did establish this redirect, so redirect, if you can disprove the old AfD does not make sense to me. Rather, deleting the redirect would mean overturning the AfD result. But I guess that's within the prerogative of RfD. Looking at the other hits again I am no longer completely sure if it is best to guide the reader to Neverwinter Nights at this point. We do have five characters there currently, and overall commentary, and it fits better to the redirect title. But other hits do have several characters embedded, too. So withdrawing my keep !vote for the time being, but I am still interested in cogsan's answer to my question above. Daranios (talk) 19:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

this is on a case-by-case basis, so the best way to put it is

• general franchises: at least most of the major cast being notable, with some wiggle room for a handful of more important/popular yet not very notable ones
• general franchises that are really long: if they're not known for more than one character, just go for articles for the few notable ones. otherwise, same criteria seem to apply
• novels and other such character-heavy franchises (which nn seems to be): there's usually no plan b for if not enough of them are notable for a list, so to quote a wise scorpion, "lol. lmao."
• pokémon: the best way to describe the situation with pokémon and its (human) characters, and how rules related to notability are treated in its context, is doing multiple backflips in a row to distract people from the question while professor elm keeps his entry

it's a complicated case, but it seems neverwinter nights just plain doesn't have enough notable characters in the first place, "major" or not

and granted, this is for if such a list exists in the first place, and since the answer to that in this case is "not anymore lol", it's really just a matter of deleting and hoping the case changes sometime before the sun goes boom cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, pinging Mark viking, who had suggested the redirect back at the AfD. Daranios (talk) 19:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete RfD does not have any authority over article content. We had an AfD, which does have that authority, and declared this should be banished. Now it's time for it to meet its fate. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was the AfD which made this a redirect in the first place. Daranios (talk) 10:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leedsshire

• Leedsshire → West Yorkshire  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Non plausible search term. Blethering Scot 15:00, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Rcsprinter123 (dialogue) 15:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Google doesn't return much however months ago, probably before this was created I did try searching for this and things like Ipswichshire, Chelmsfordshire etc. I did ask someone years ago if there should be "Leedsshire". There may be a problem with this redirect in that Leeds has never been the capital of West Yorkshire or even West Riding of Yorkshire but rather Wakefield so could arguably be Wakefieldshire which may also lead to ambiguity with the former county which arguably could be a target however we would probably prefer the current county. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete its the name of a non-notable sports team (who played a match against the wonderfully named "Leeds Apatheticals") and a couple of local businesses, but everything else is hypothetical (not all for the same thing, e.g. one source described Halifax as the largest and most important place in Leedsshire) or borderline nonsense. Thryduulf (talk) 20:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Future Survivor seasons

• Survivor 49 → Survivor (American TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Survivor 50 → Survivor (American TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of the 49th or 50th season at the target and, based on the lead, the series is currently only renewed up until the 48th season. As such, the redirects are misleading and WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE. Unnecessary and too soon. Season 48 hasn’t even debuted yet. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:09, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Totally WP:TOOSOON. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:03, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Future United States House of Representatives elections

• 2030 United States House of Representatives elections → United States presidential election#Comparison with other U.S. general elections  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• 2032 United States House of Representatives elections → United States presidential election#Comparison with other U.S. general elections  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target at all. The farthest away election mentioned in 2028, making the redirects misleading and WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:04, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom, too soon. Give it a couple of years and these can be recreated. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 14:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Way too soon. Besides, 2030 isn't even an applicable election- its either 2028 or 2032.^{removed as I might be wrong} Can be mistaken as a hoax ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 17:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Karhusaari (island)

• Karhusaari (island) → Angelniemi  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Misleading redirect. There are several islands named Karhusaari in Finland, the island in Angelniemi is not the only one and probably the most notable either. The redirect had two incoming links, neither of which was actually about the island in Angelniemi: one was for an island in Espoo and the other for an island in Kuopio. I removed the wikilinks from both. This redirect should be deleted until we have an actual article about at least some island named Karhusaari. JIP | Talk 12:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I created this redirect when reviewing Karhusaari (disambiguation) because of the line in the article Angelniemi: "Other isles of Angelniemi are Angelansaari, Kokkilansaari, Pikkusaari and Karhusaari". If there are other islands then fine: mention them in the appropriate article and disambiguate at Karhusaari (disambiguation) to where this redirect should point. Otherwise, we actually do "have an actual article about at least some island named Karhusaari". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:01, 6 November 2024 (UTC) (Not an expert in Finland but once had a lovely trip to Helsinki)[reply]

Cricoarytenoid

• Cricoarytenoid → Cricoarytenoid muscle  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is also Cricoarytenoid joint and Cricoarytenoid ligament. This could be a set index like Arytenoid. 1234qwer1234qwer4 09:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Presume good faith

• Presume good faith → Wikipedia:Assume good faith  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

JPerez90, there's a reason we don't generally make these. See also The five pillars and The Manual of Style. Remsense ‥ 论 05:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:XNR and sounding like an encyclopedic subject. Steel1943 (talk) 08:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yep. Steel1943 (talk) 13:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Alternatively, align with Assume good faith. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:00, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Assume good faith Good faith, where the general topic is covered and there's a hatnote to Wikipedia:Assume good faith. Skynxnex (talk) 13:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC) Update retarget to final destination. Still think it's an acceptable redirect with that target. Skynxnex (talk) 21:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak retarget to Good faith given Assume good faith goes there but otherwise could be deleted. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Chalcolithic cultures of China

• List of Chalcolithic cultures of China → List of Neolithic cultures of China  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No such list of Chalcolithic cultures exists at the target. This does not appear to be a subject that is discussed on Wikipedia at this time. Previously existed as a list with one entry.

This title may be able to be salvaged if the list of Neolithic cultures is expanded to include Chalcolithic cultures. However, searching for an article about a "Copper Age list" and being sent to an article about a "Stone Age list" does not seem generally helpful in a vacuum, and would be confusing to readers if there is no indication or hatnote about why they ended up here (that there may not have been enough content to substantiate an individual page for Chalcolithic). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 00:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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List of Men's Basketball Tournament Finals broadcasters

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

2041 Ryder Cup

• 2041 Ryder Cup → Ryder Cup  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. No relevant info there, making this redirect misleading. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 02:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as pointless until we have an article on the event, years from now. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment, there are also 2025 Ryder Cup, which is closer, but still hasn't happened yet, but could get refined to the "Editions" section at least I guess, and 2024 Ryder Cup, which doesn't exist, due to the year shifting, but it was created back in 2018 before that happened, and contains no relevant content, so can safely be deleted. There are a couple more like that, but those existed with more content and were the result of page moves. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 5

Barangay 79

• Barangay 79 → Caloocan#Barangays  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There are at least 3 Barangay 79s, and this one in Caloocan is not WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:20, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambig per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 13:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  None of the Barangay 79s are notable, the one in Caloocan was redirected via AFD this week , and none are plausible search items. No one's looking for Barangay 79s. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:25, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Delete per nom, as there's no particular info on this particular barangay. Disambiguation is inappropriate since all the disambiguated titles (if they existed) should still be deleted for the same reason. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:25, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daesh Tunisia

• Daesh Tunisia → Ansar al-Sharia (Tunisia)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I was highly confused by this redirect, and my external searching of "Daesh Tunisia" led me to uncover that apparently it is the "name of an invasive crustacean", per [40]. This blue crab might be invading Tunisia, but what it is ALSO invading is this article which has nothing to do with the subject. No mention of "daesh", "crab", "crustacean", or even "blue" at the target article. People looking for information on this blue crab would be very confused by the topic of Ansar al-Sharia, and if these two DO have a correlation, such a correlation is unclear with zero mention. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Daesh is ISIS. This redirect is calling them Tunisian ISIS. They were closer to Al-Qaeda.

This name actually does get used in RS [41], but for Jund Al Khilafa-Tunisia or JAK-T, which we do not have a page on. We do have a page on the Algerian one though PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:02, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm quite surprised we do not have a page on JAK-T PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:04, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to have an article created. Mooonswimmer 04:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Daesh is what the Arab world calls ISIS. The Office of Foreign Assets Control, UN Security Council, US Department of State, and European Union all mention "Daesh Tunisia" as an alias of JAK-T. Mooonswimmer 04:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Electrotechnology

• Electrotechnology → Electrical engineering  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

According to the brief page history of this WP:DICDEF, electrotechnology is not simply "electrical engineering". From my external searches of this term, I'm getting mixed results. The question then becomes... what would be the best location to target this term? Because the term "electrotechnology" is not written anywhere at the target. It seems to be a valid question if the two terms are "apparently not 1:1 synonyms". But if they are synonyms, then this, too, should probs be indicated somewhere, and I feel something about "electrotechnology" could be added to the article to substantiate the redirect in that case. This would answer the question for people who use an "electrotechnology" search term to navigate Wikipedia, instead of seeking out the very long article on all of electrical engineering. As it happens, Electrical engineering technology also exists as an entirely different article. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Soft redirect to Wiktionary, where readers will learn this refers to both electrical technology and electrical engineering and can look up either or both if they subsequently desire. Thryduulf (talk) 14:43, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Fox (channel)

• Fox (channel) → Fox (international)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Fox Channel → Fox Broadcasting Company  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Looking at the page histories of both titles, the contents using the redirect title here at RFD later evolved to its current target. I'm listing this here for a fresh discussion of its either possible deletion or re-targeting/redirection. Intrisit (talk) 21:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Fox Channel should redirect to the same place (it currently doesn't) so I've added it to this nomination. Fox (British and Irish TV channel) isn't currently mentioned at Fox (disambiguation) although it presumably should be. Wherever it targets there should be a hatnote to Foxe Channel. Thryduulf (talk) 00:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Set index. There are, I've discovered, lots of channels called Fox and more previously called Fox, including (and this is incomplete): Fox (British and Irish TV channel), Fox (Asian TV channel), Fox (German TV channel), Fox (African TV channel), Fox (Norwegian TV channel), Fox (Italian TV channel) and Fox (Hungarian TV channel). Fox8. Then there are various ones named Fox Life, Fox Sports, Fox Filipino, etc. We don't seem to have a single list of them that I can find. Thryduulf (talk) 00:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Setindexify per Thryduulf. All these channels should be assembled in a list, since these terms can refer to any of them. Regards, SONIC678 18:05, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Setindexify per Thryduulf. Good find. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Setindexify "Fox Channel" in most contexts refers to one of the international Fox general-entertainment pay channels. The sheer number of them demands this outcome. And a lot of U.S. channels over the years that Fox started could qualify (from Fox News to Fox Sports 1). Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:51, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grooving

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Starlow

• Starlow → Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Starlow debuted in this game, but she appears in later entries too. She doesn't have an entry on List of Mario franchise characters though. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 16:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep in absence of that entry, like popple (nintendo) redirecting to superstar saga when he was also in dream team cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 19:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Purge the page

• Purge the page → Help:Purge  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Very implausible for an WP:XNR TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 20:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong delete this could clearly refer to reload the page by purging the HTML/CSS/etc browser cache, for many social media sites. Such as the [F5]-meme used on 4chan -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Command doesn't work, someone made an WP:XNR redirect instead. Steel1943 (talk) 21:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete not a Wikipedia specific term. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as vague --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Rediretc

• Wikipedia:Rediretc → Wikipedia:Redirect  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Very implausible typo on top of the fact that it's in project space. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 19:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment redirect was created in 2007. A single transposition error of two adjacent characters is a very likely form of typo, frequently appearing amongst touch typists. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete for the simple fact this redirect has no incoming links that are worth retaining. Steel1943 (talk) 21:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete We do not need a redirect for every possible typo, and this one does not seem particularly likely. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete but only due to being an implausible typo. That this is in project space is completely irrelevant. Thryduulf (talk) 00:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:30, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Redirct

• Wikipedia:Redirct → Wikipedia:Redirect  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Slightly plausible error, but it's in project space. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 19:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment redirect was created in 2009. A single missing letter error is a likely form of typo when typing -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete for the simple fact this redirect has no incoming links that are worth retaining. Steel1943 (talk) 21:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment That this is in project space is completely irrelevant. It's either a plausible type or it isn't. Thryduulf (talk) 00:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Requested Articles/Business and economics/Companies

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy deleted

Wikipedia:REVERET

• Wikipedia:REVERET → Help:Reverting  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This misspelling already appears to be implausible, but it's is in project space so it's even less likely to get used. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 19:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment this redirect created in 2022 has the page creation edit summary misspelling (fixed red link on Teahouse) ... -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete since ... yeah, it's wrong and quite implausible, and the redirect creator should have fixed the incoming link rather than creating this redirect, but ... what else could this shortcut refer to? Steel1943 (talk) 21:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment if this is kept it should be retargetted to Wikipedia:Reverting to match WP:REVERT. Thryduulf (talk) 01:00, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, same as the others like this -- linking errors should be fixed when spotted, not made into redirects. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:10, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above ---Lenticel ^(talk) 01:31, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:RSreliable sources

• Wikipedia:RSreliable sources → Wikipedia:Reliable sources  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Appears to be another linking error. Looking at the page links, it appears to be a fairly common error where someone doesn't type "|" between RS and reliable sources. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 19:39, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, same as the others like this -- linking errors should be fixed when spotted, not made into redirects. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:08, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete "RS" and "Reliable sources" are the same thing so it redundant. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as unlikely spelling variant --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chocottone

• Chocottone → Panettone  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

chocotone (one t) is a brazilian recipe featuring chocolate. no idea what a brazil is, but i hear it's relatively popular there. still unmentioned, though cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep - from what I can tell (though my search results could be skewed by geography) this is a popular chocolate form of panettone, and that form is noted in that article's lede although not by name. The Brazilian chocotone appears to be the same thing but in Portuguese, which doesn't have double consonants. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  between then and now, i may or may not have fallen into a downward spiral of inconsistent spellings and butcherings of italian names that start with t. for legal reasons, the correct spelling is both of them, at the same time

  banter aside, does this mean you found some evidence (reliable or otherwise) of the term being used outside of brazil? not even tricking google into thinking i'm the most american guy to ever exist seems to have yielded me anything besides brazilian results cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:16, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The sources I was looking at were all Toronto publications, which is to say no, I did not exactly find evidence for its use outside of Brazil or its diaspora. But I think that's valid enough for a redirect. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 20:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep it appears in English used as being chocolate panettone [42][43][44] --- I suggest that Chocolate panettone redirect be created and that Chocottone and Chocotone both have an {{R from avoided double redirect|chocolate panettone}} be attached to these two -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:39, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  that works for me. not for an actual mention at the article, since those are user-generated, but it's proof that the term is used cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olivolja

• Olivolja → Olive oil  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

swedish for olive oil. target seems to have no particular affinity with sweden cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete doesn't appear to contain any useful history. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete - Olivolja is a Sicilian maker of olive and other oils, but I think not prominent enough for a {{R from brand name}} with no mention in the article. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:50, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - even though I am Swedish, I see no purpose.  Mr.choppers | ✎  20:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This is the English-language Wikipedia, we don't need a separate redirect from the Swedish name for olive oil. JIP | Talk 13:34, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ghost pepper (version 2)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: resolved. This was an artifact left over from when Anthony Appleyard moved Bhut jolokia to Ghost pepper back in 2020. I've moved the edit history back under Bhut jolokia, which essentially completes the WP:ROBIN. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:39, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John Reilly (actor)

• John Reilly (actor) → John Reilly (actor, born 1934)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

See recently closed RM. No primary topic; redirect to dab. 162 etc. (talk) 17:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. That RM did not reach a consensus that there was no primary topic, or about anything else. After discussion, the close was for the status quo. This redirect results from an undiscussed move in 2021 but has been stable since then. It gets few hits[45] but those that use it most likely want the current target or, if not, the single link from the hatnote. Redirecting to the dab page would make readers wade through 16 possible John Reillys before getting to the two actors near the bottom of the page, one of whom, John C. Reilly, is virtually never known as simply John Reilly. Station1 (talk) 18:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  If John Reilly (actor) and John Reilly (actor, born 1934) are the same article, then the title of the article should be John Reilly (actor), to avoid unnecessary disambiguation. But we just had an RM, and there was no consensus to move to that title. 162 etc. (talk) 22:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The RM proposal was to move the article to John Reilly (soap opera actor), not back to John Reilly (actor). You brought up the alternative at that RM and I agree(d) with you that would be the better title, but as you point out, there was no consensus. Neither was there a consensus to point that title to a dab page. A new RM focused on reversing the undiscussed 2021 move might be appropriate, but retargeting the redirect in the meantime would not be helpful to readers. Station1 (talk) 16:03, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget John C. Reilly has 43,514 views compardd with only 2,556[[46]] for the 1934 one and people expect "Firstname Lastname" as titles of articles and even if some people include the "C" its unlikely almost everyone does. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Sources indicate the opposite. Almost everyone does include the "C". Station1 (talk) 16:03, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  People still expect "Firstname Lastname" even if some people use the "C". Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to the disambiguation per Crouch, Swale and I've never been a fan of partial disambiguation at the best of times as it always feels too much like special pleading. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:02, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to the disambiguation page. Fails WP:AT being not WP:PRECISE enough to identify the topic. A primary topic does not carry disambiguation, so if this John Reilly were the primary topic, the page would be called John Reilly, which it isn't. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 07:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Granatawerfer

• Granatawerfer → Mortar (weapon)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"granatwerfer" (from granate and werfer) is a plausible, if apparently archaic name for mortar launchers (though i'd associate it more with grenade launchers). "granatawerfer" is not a word, because granata is italian for grenade. opinions on its plausibility as a misspelling or something else i might have missed? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:16, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

should mention that i would create granatwerfer as a redirect to grenade launcher, but there are articles for three separate granatwerfer, which astute eyes may realize are all mortars, so i'll do it after this discussion closes to see where it should target. then again, judging by the articles' current states, grenade launchers and mortars might not have any particular affinity for germany in the first place. how complicated~ cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:24, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Granatwerfer is reasonable as either a redirect to mortar, or a disambig. Grantawerfer is a typo or else a literary weapon used across the dining tables of Islington and Trumpington.Andy Dingley (talk) 17:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as a useless redirect. As the nominator says this is not a word because one part is in Italian and the other in German. JIP | Talk 13:35, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ray Lavender

• Ray Lavender → Konvict Kulture  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target in any capacity. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - according to Global Grind, Ray Lavender was an artist who had a minor hit on Akon's label Konvict Musik around 2007, who then left the label. I don't see any reliable coverage of that single, or of anything that Lavender has done since. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I don't see any relevance in the redirect, as Ray Lavender was not a notable figure while contracted as an artist of KonLive Distribution. He released 4 singles, none of which of was any relevance even with a T-Pain feature. His time was so brief at the label that most people are unaware that he was on the label, and was one of the main factors for my omission of his name in the former artists section. Eder Srld (talk) 02:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

23th Senate of Puerto Rico

• 23th Senate of Puerto Rico → 23rd Senate of Puerto Rico  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete This was created by an editor who made a typo and accidentally created this redirect, and subsequently used by an editor three times who thought the correct word is 23th instead of 23rd, I have fixed all three occurrences of 23th Senate of Puerto Rico into 23rd Senate of Puerto Rico in Wikipedia and this redirect can be safely deleted. Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 16:59, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:HESD

• MOS:HESD → Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Section headings  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Manual of Style does not need its own pseudo-namespace Hexware (talk) 16:35, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete There are many "MOS:" redirects already, but I don't find this misspelling to be plausible as asserted by the creator of the redirect. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a pseudo-namespace. Gonnym (talk) 17:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS: does have its own psuedo namespace it's used all the time Cyber the tiger (talk) 17:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of creating unnecessary redirects, maybe use your time in other ways. Wikipedia:Namespace, "MOS" is not a pseudo-namespace, but a real one recently created. Gonnym (talk) 22:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete MOS: is a pseudo-namespace but we don't need a typo version of this shortcut. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:05, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - MOS: is a valid pseudo-namespace for manual of style pages, but this is another one of those recently created "one key away" redirects (from MOS:HEAD), and is additionally nonsensical because it doesn't mean anything in this form. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. This redirect was created as a misspelling of an existent redirect. This is highly unlikely in any sense, and this title should be freed for a more useful purpose (whatever that is determined.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:21, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 12:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:MOSSECTIONHEADINGS

• Wikipedia:MOSSECTIONHEADINGS → Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Section headings  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unused short redirect; Correct form would be to WP:MOS#Section_Headings Hexware (talk) 16:35, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: first, a redirect cannot point to another redir; second, one problem with claiming "unused ... redirect" is that you cannot tell if it was used in an edit summary or not; third, WP:CHEAP. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This is a valid shortcut. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Though this redirect creator has created some questionable redirects, this is not one of them. Makes sense, gets readers where they are intending to go. It's a win to me. Steel1943 (talk) 21:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, if only as this for me is a WP:FRUIT situation. This editor has created so many bad redirects recently that for me, even slightly ok ones should be deleted. Gonnym (talk) 22:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Interesting, never seen that page before. Reminds me of WP:TNT. Steel1943 (talk) 22:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  However, I think it's clear this editor wants to help somehow, so I think WP:BITE applies here (though I recently violated that myself, shame on me.) I mean, after mostly bad redirect creations, here's an okay one that hopefully can be an example of what to do rather than what not to do. Steel1943 (talk) 22:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. This is a good redirect. We don't retain editors by deleting their good redirects just because they also created some bad ones. Thryduulf (talk) 01:04, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  THIS RIGHT HERE. Steel1943 (talk) 01:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uncomfiness

• Uncomfiness → Comfort  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not a word Hexware (talk) 16:34, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Soft redirect to wikt:Uncomfiness per my !vote on the "Uncomfort" discussion below. That is also a word, just not used as often. Regards, SONIC678 16:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uncomfort

• Uncomfort → Comfort  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not a word Hexware (talk) 16:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Soft redirect to wikt:Uncomfort, which defines the term and is the closest title match. It is in fact a word, just not used as much as "discomfort." As a search on Wikipedia can attest, it's used in several Wikipedia articles, either as a proper noun or a common one. Regards, SONIC678 16:50, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as is. Someone looking for this term on Wikipedia will be better served by being directed to the Wikipedia article most closely addressing the concept. BD2412 T 17:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Touota

• Touota → Toyota  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely typo Hexware (talk) 16:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - not a plausible typo. The creator has recently made a number of "next to each other on the keyboard" implausible typo redirects, such as Tsylor Swift and Mileu Cyrus, but these are unnecessary and opening the door to another Neelix situation. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per nom and Ivanvector.  Mr.choppers | ✎  20:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as unlikely ... and ambiguous. Why not Tokota or Tonota? Steel1943 (talk) 22:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per nom. Useless.  Stepho  talk  22:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:What WP is not

• Wikipedia:What WP is not → Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Short redirects to WP:xyz are written without spaces, and in all caps Hexware (talk) 16:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep. "wp:" automatically gets converted to "wikipedia:" for the purposes of literally anything besides typing and reading, so this one is fine in that area. could make an argument for the use of the abbreviation being a little implausible, but i'm not feeling it to be honest

also, see not-full-caps equivalents of actual short redirects, like wp:brd, wp:mos, and wp:th, and notice that despite what i typed, they got automatically converted to "wikipedia:" when linking cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep No good reason for nuking this. It's plausible and obvious where it should go. Jclemens (talk) 18:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Unless it's determined that "WP" is ambiguous, since the meaning of "WP" is pretty clear in a meta sense, this redirect makes sense. Steel1943 (talk) 21:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as noted "Wikipedia" is abbreviated as WP. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pablo Pivasso

• Pablo Pivasso → Pablo Picasso  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely typo Hexware (talk) 16:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - unlikely typo. Yes, "c" is next to "v" on a standard keyboard, but so what? Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. An unlikely typo combination. Why not Pablo Pixasso (though I'd advocate that be deleted as well)? Steel1943 (talk) 21:34, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as an unlikely typo or misspelling. No one calls him Pablo Pivasso. JIP | Talk 13:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 12:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfinished basement

• Unfinished basement → Basement  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unnecessary redirect Hexware (talk) 16:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• delete per nom. nearly everything that comes to be must at some point be unfinished cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  but a "finished" basement often is not finished Cyber the tiger (talk) 17:50, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  making it unfinished cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:51, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Completely useless redirect. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:02, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Retarget to Basement#Unfinished basement because apparently that is a section in the article. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Basement#Unfinished basement. From my perspective (American English), "Unfinished basement" is idiomatic and is more specific than a basement which is not yet finished. Frankly, in my view this should be a redirect with possibilities. WallAdhesion (talk) 19:59, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Refine to the proper section, per WallAdhesion. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Refine target to Basement#Unfinished basement per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 12:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ac/DC

• Ac/DC → AC/DC  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unnecessary redirect; When would a user have AC lowercased and DC uppercased? Hexware (talk) 16:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. HorrorLover555 (talk) 19:08, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Seems like textbook WP:CHEAP to me with no chance of ambiguity. Steel1943 (talk) 21:35, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We do have an entire AC/DC (disambiguation) ;; and the non-music electrical topic; the war of the currents between Tesla and Edison -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charlotte Web

• Charlotte Web → Charlotte's Web  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unnecessary redirect; More likely misspelling would be missing the apostrophe Hexware (talk) 16:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Charlotte Webb. BD2412 T 17:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:RASTONISH - neither the book nor the boat are obvious targets of this misspelling. Let the search engine handle it. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:13, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Ivanvector and the redirect being WP:XY as a misspelling for multiple subjects. Steel1943 (talk) 21:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Steel. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:43, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:R from opposites

• Template:R from opposites → Template:R from antonym  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unnecessary/unused redirect; Antonym is the correct terminology Hexware (talk) 16:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep it is describing the situation properly, and not everyone would have the word "antonym" floating in the front of their minds; which could let people search for the Rcat type through its redirect -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete for the rather pedantic reason of the fact that an RCAT template cannot be in both a redirect and its target since RCAT templates are intended to be only on redirects, thus the plural caused by the "s" in this title could be seen as misleading. Steel1943 (talk) 21:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plaisir d'amour ne dure qu'un moment. Chagrin d'amour dure toute la vie.

• Plaisir d'amour ne dure qu'un moment. Chagrin d'amour dure toute la vie. → Plaisir d'amour  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These are the first two lines of this song, the lyrics of which are no longer mentioned at the target. No indication on why this song over any other song should contain its first two sentences as redirects, as such an act would be an exception and not the norm. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:08, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep; the title of the target IS present in the redirect, which precludes any accusation of the lyrics searched not being present in the article. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:47, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Vor der Kaserne vor dem großen Tor stand eine Laterne und steht sie noch davor

• Vor der Kaserne vor dem großen Tor stand eine Laterne und steht sie noch davor → Lili Marleen  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Vor der" not mentioned at the target article. Unlikely search term because pages about songs tend to be located at an article that matches their title, not this. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:05, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per other discussions above and below. These are the first lyrics to this song, which someone might remember without retaining the title, so it's potentially helpful for people searching for the song in question. Regards, SONIC678 16:35, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Police and thieves in the street, oh yeah, scaring the nation with their guns and ammunition

• Police and thieves in the street, oh yeah, scaring the nation with their guns and ammunition → Police and Thieves  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The target page can be reached after the first three words. The rest of this lyric is not mentioned at the target page, and someone specifying all this information instead of stopping at "police and thieves" is likely looking for particular information related to this quote; information that we do not contain anywhere on Wikipedia. Zero mentions across the whole site. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:02, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep; the title of the target IS present in the redirect, which precludes any accusation of the lyrics searched not being present in the article. The rest is in the domain of WP:CHEAP. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:48, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 16:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Not a useful redirect. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Enteractive

• Enteractive → LJN  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

unmentioned, results gave me some unrelated brand that does Things™. incoming links seem to imply that it's a developer that worked under ljn maybe probably, but that's all the info i got cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak retarget to Interactive (disambiguation) as a (mis)pronunciation spelling -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:51, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Xenusia

• Xenusia → Lobopodia  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Xenusia is a subgroup of Lobopodia, it shouldn’t be redirected to the parent clade. Plus, it’s widely used enough to warrant a page. IC1101-Capinatator (talk) 15:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nuh uh

• Nuh uh → Yes and no  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in article. Nuh-uh. Not true. Not at all. or the sound it makes usually indicates no. Blethering Scot 14:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, cheap, common knowledge that this means "no", which is what the article covers. BD2412 T 17:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak refine to Yes and no § Non-verbal, where there's at least a little discussion of this sort of phenomenon, even if this specific example isn't mentioned explicitly. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:40, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Henț River

• Henț River → Crasna (Tisza)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Hent River → Crasna (Tisza)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Hent" is not mentioned at the target article. It is mentioned as a part of Săcuieu (river), as well, and should be pointed at a location where such a river is discussed. However, the target appears as if it may be ambiguous, and the redirect has history. Unsure what to do here. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Comment: There's also Hent River, which I'm bundling here. Regards, SONIC678 16:52, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sergey Yurasov

• Sergey Yurasov → Vladimir Yurasov  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• S. Yurasov → Vladimir Yurasov  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No reference to Sergey in article. Google searches show Sergey but its to another Yurasov. Blethering Scot 14:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first edition of his novel Parallax was published as The Enemy of the People (Russian: Враг народа) under the pseudonym S. Yurasov (Russian: С. Юрасов) Кантемира (talk) 09:25, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hallucishaniids

• Hallucishaniids → Hallucigeniidae  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This page shouldn’t be redirected; the reason given is “monotypic taxon”, yet the group was designed to join Hallucigeniidae and Luolishaniidae, therefore it by definition cannot be monotypic. IC1101-Capinatator (talk) 13:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MagneLine

• MagneLine → Mortar (masonry)#Polymer cement mortar  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

unnotable brand. results gave me some type of medicine with the same name and magnezone, but not the flavor of mortar mentioned in the pre-blar history cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:45, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The product appears to still be available, albeit named "Magne Line" (with a space) and, through a series of mergers, is now owned by a company called Maedakosen. However, as that company doesn't have a WP article, the redirect seems pretty useless and I !vote for deletion. MarcGarver (talk) 13:52, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mileu Cyrus

• Mileu Cyrus → Miley Cyrus  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely error. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. No evidence of this being a likely misspelling. Steel1943 (talk) 21:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Are we seriously gonna make a redirect for every keyboard slip-up? TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 04:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 12:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tsylor Swift

• Tsylor Swift → Taylor Swift  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely error. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. No evidence of this being a likely misspelling. Steel1943 (talk) 21:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 04:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taylor Sqift

• Taylor Sqift → Taylor Swift  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely error, not every adjacent key typo needs a redirect. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:25, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. No evidence of this being a likely misspelling. Steel1943 (talk) 21:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 04:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 12:35, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:BASTARD

• Wikipedia:BASTARD → User:MZMcBride  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This appears to be a redirect from Wikipedia space to a former administrator's userspace. I'm generally okay with lowbrow hijinks in userspace, but IMHO this language is inappropriate as a page title in Wikipediaspace (which does not exist to please admins past or present). Sorry if I'm whizzing in someone's private pool, but this is an inappropriate word for Wikipedia to use for any person, not to mention lack of any reason to link WP space to userspace in such a way. I'd be happy to be incorrect in this case, but I hope I'm acting in the interest of the pedia. BusterD (talk) 12:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as inappropriate, and in any event, as obsolete. Newyorkbrad (talk) 12:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Ah well. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 19:07, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yay for compliments! Steel1943 (talk) 21:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: True, all fame is fleeting. One legitimate concern is, if kept, precisely where does it point? I'm sure there was some pride in such "recognition" but MZM is not the only legitimate claimant on eng.wiki. "Edit war of the bastards"; We might need to bring in George Martin to write it up. BusterD (talk) 13:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

retarget to meeeeee

just kidding, delete. there may be some unambiguous, probably useful use for a redirect like this someday, but that day doesn't seem to be today, or any day before this one, or any day within this year. maybe some mos guide on blps of bastard children? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I'm sure this was hilarious in 2009. Anyway, after we've deleted it, please will the closer also consider imposing an appropriate level of create-protection.—S Marshall T/C 17:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - in-jokes are fine, but humour redirects pointing at a prominent user from project space send a bad message. The joke might be funny if you're in on it, but someone coming across it who isn't might think that this is the sort of abuse we expect editors to both dish out and tolerate; this one especially so since two former administrators are in on it. We should be setting a better example. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Utter nonsense. But ... I may consider seeing if there is some sort of project names I've page to retarget this... Steel1943 (talk) 21:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  ...Yep, out of the results for titles containing "bastard" in the project space, I found no good targets. Steel1943 (talk) 21:47, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I wonder why. BusterD (talk) 01:13, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I guess I'm just surprised that no essay titled something like Wikipedia:Don't be a bastard exists. Steel1943 (talk) 01:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Apparently, I'm not the first to think this. Steel1943 (talk) 02:08, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Well, Wikipedia:Don't be a dick exists. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 00:01, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't think that's a bad target, but judging from the below responses, it's just me. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:14, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Not that I would ever want to be the Fun Police, but this just doesn't seem encyclopedic. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Redirects internal to the project namespace are not required to be encyclopaedic. That's not to say this is a good redirect, just that that is not a reason why it isn't. Thryduulf (talk) 01:08, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Everyone seems to agree: this redirect is not legitimate. Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:18, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, this is essentially a borderline WP:G10. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:E4CF:BC31:3E2B:DEFF (talk) 00:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete because inappropriate. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 04:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Picric acid (homeopathic remedy)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Rage game

• Rage game → Rage (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is a genre of game out there called "rage game" in which their main objective is to make the players rage. Notable examples include Getting Over It and A Difficult Game About Climbing. Not sure if the genre is really notable or not, but there are at least two examples I can think off of the top of my head (and those were just limited to the notable ones!). Maybe add a hatnote for the video game called "Rage", which is the current redirect. Someone-123-321 (I contribute) 08:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 20:53, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 4

September 31

• September 31 → List of non-standard dates  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of September 31 in the target page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:54, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone unify it with #April 31? Web-julio (talk) 07:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note a redirect with this title was deleted in 2017, but a deletion review discussion overturned G4 speedy deletion as it had a different target (September). Thryduulf (talk) 14:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget. October 1 would parallel an April 31 → May 1 RfD. But September 30 might be the likely sought-for page for users who simply forgot September's last date. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 22:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dhol (Kirat)

• Dhol (Kirat) → Dhol  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This is not a helpful disambiguator, as a "Kirat" variant is not discussed at the target article, so people specifying that they desire a "Kirat" form of the Dhol drum, would not receive it when they search for this title. Contains history. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Fay Spaniel

• Fay Spaniel → List of Star Fox characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This character has no confirmed last name, and this isn't even the right dog breed. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Google shows me that this name is in widespread use amongst fans, even amongst fans who say that they aren't sure whether she's a Cocker Spaniel or a Poodle. It's not just one corner of fandom, it crosses multiple different social media sites, fan sites, art sites, forums, and so on, and also it crosses over into the furry-sphere which is related but distinct from Star Fox fandom. It's certainly not an official name as far as I can tell, but the extreme widespread nature of this name being assigned to this character, rightly or wrongly, makes it a pretty plausible search. As a navigational aid, this will get a searcher to the right place where we have information on the character being referred to. Fieari (talk) 00:11, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Herbert the Android Pig

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Greater Luxembourg

• Greater Luxembourg → Greater Region of SaarLorLux  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Greater Luxembourg (modern region) → Greater Region of SaarLorLux  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Greater Region of Luxembourg → Greater Region of SaarLorLux  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete all three.Retarget to Luxembourg annexation plans after the Second World War. This Euroregion is never referred to as "Greater Luxembourg". РоманЖ (talk) 14:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Journal of Contemporary European Studies and Organic policies in Luxembourg do talk about a Greater Luxembourg area. The second link also has a map which largely matches the map in Greater Region of SaarLorLux. A mention of the first term needs to be added to the target. The other two are acceptable variants. Retargeting to Luxembourg annexation plans after the Second World War (per the nom's updated recommendation) also seems like a good-enough option. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, possibly redirect to Luxembourg. The thing very definitely exists, see, for example [47] (there are dozens of solid peer-reviewed works using the term). According to this source, the Greater Luxembourg includes "partly derelict French periphery benefiting from the economic spillover of Luxembourg". Having once made an (accidental) stop there, I can vouch for the description. Whether this description matches the Greater Region of SaarLorLux, I do not know (the SaarLorLux seems much larger than what the works describing the Greater Luxembourg imply). Викидим (talk) 15:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See also Luxembourg annexation plans after the Second World War for some historical background of the term. Викидим (talk) 15:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• MPGuy2824, Викидим, I updated my proposal. I think now that it is better to retarget to Luxembourg annexation plans after the Second World War. РоманЖ (talk) 21:31, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This is a modern concept as well. It draws a lot of interest among researchers as, I think, the largest (in terms of interaction) trans-border conglomeration in the EU. While not formal, like Greater London or Grand Paris, it seems notable on its own, perhaps, in the future it will have its own article. For now, I think that a section either in SaarLorLux or Luxembourg would do IMHO. Викидим (talk) 23:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Closest equivalent is IMHO Paris metropolitan area. Викидим (talk) 00:18, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, per MPGuy. This is a solution in search of a problem. Whether or not strictly accurate, the term "Greater Region of Luxembourg" is widely used in reliable published academic source (1, 2). As for "Greater Luxembourg", this is also a commonly used term. Ernst & Young offer accountancy services for for "Greater Luxembourg" (3). So too does the UN (4) and the Lux government (5, "Given the important role of Luxembourg in the ‘greater Luxembourg’ labour market, the department could usefully explore funding opportunities in neighbouring regions..."). This is a very small selection. Where exactly is the problem with the current situation? —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mabe Village

• Mabe Village → The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak retarget to Mabe (disambiguation), where several villages named Mabe are listed -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:18, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Canada bunting

• Canada bunting → American tree sparrow  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I could be wrong, but, based on this source from The Canadian Encyclopedia, this is an ambiguous term. I also do not see it mentioned at the target in any capacity. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:08, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I can't find any evidence that "Canada bunting" is a species of bird or an alternative name for either the current target or the species mentioned in the link provided by the nominator. When searching "Canada bunting" in Google, I get mainly hits for buntings of the Canadian flag. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:04, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as the original name of the species, given by John James Audubon. Passengerpigeon (talk) 19:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I saw that when searching, but is there a source specifying that it is this species? The provided source seems ambiguous about which "tree sparrow" is being depicted. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• It certainly looks like it, and there were no Tree Sparrows in North America when that was drawn. Passengerpigeon (talk) 13:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, demonstrably ambiguous with Bunting (decoration) or Bunting (bird) from Canada. No mention of such a phrase at the article of American tree sparrow, and would mislead readers who were looking for other purposes only to end up at a page where the phrase "Canada bunting" never occurs. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Religion of nonvoilence

• Religion of nonvoilence → Jainism  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Misspelling and seemingly an undue epithet for redirection. Remsense ‥ 论 21:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Misspelled and I don't think nonviolence is particularly associated with Jainism vis-a-vis any other religion. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete one would think the Amish might be the target of this. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:12, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as overly misspelled. BD2412 T 01:59, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete this error. Religion of nonviolence is red, but if it existed ought to go to Nonviolence. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:44, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Vote for deletion

• Wikipedia:Vote for deletion → Wikipedia:Articles for deletion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

AFD is a discussion, not a vote. TheWikipede (talk) 21:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. In the olden days (pre circa September 2005) Wikipedia:Articles for deletion was called Wikipedia:Votes for deletion, and there are still references to the old name around and this is a very plausible misremembering of it. Thryduulf (talk) 22:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment (edit conflict) Wikipedia:Votes for deletion was the original name of the entire deletion process, when that was the only deletion page. You could tag Wikipedia:Votes for deletion (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) with {{historical}} make that a soft-redirect to make people see it is historical only. This could then hard-redirect to the soft redirect -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep in any case, as a historical artefact of ancient Wikipedia -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Thryduulf. Steel1943 (talk) 22:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, a reasonable search term, plus historical artifacts have their place. 'Ancient Wikipedia' is usable, although I call it 'Original Wikipedia'. Most of it is still extant. Not all of original Wikipedia is on mobile, but some of its best features are still read by millions of laptop and desktop users each day. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep yes its not a vote but as noted this was the original name and so will likely have usage even if old. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:29, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Albanian Italian

• Albanian Italian → Arbëreshë people  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ambiguous with Albanians in Italy—I recommend disambiguating. Cremastra (u — c) 20:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate between whatever articles cover Albanians in Italy, Italians in Albania, mixed-ethnicity populations of Italian and Albanian ancestry, etc -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dark Link/Shadow Link

• Dark Link/Shadow Link → List of The Legend of Zelda characters#Dark Link  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This combination of two different names for the character, combined by the / character, is a very unlikely search term. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:56, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: What's particularly odd is that apparently, most first-party sources consider "Dark Link" and "Shadow Link" two different subjects/characters, though Wikipedia currently doesn't. Steel1943 (talk) 22:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Swiftmas

• Swiftmas → Taylor Swift  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete per WP:RSURPRISE considering the term is unmentioned and the target section does not exist. Steel1943 (talk) 20:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Regarding the target section does not exist, this was created as a redirect to Taylor Swift#Swiftmas in 2015. In 2020 it was adjusted to point to Taylor Swift with the rationale "This section is long gone". Thryduulf (talk) 20:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Thanks for that explanation, given I made that rationale based on the creation edit and not the current revision of the redirect when I made the nomination ... and didn't realize it until you stated this! Steel1943 (talk) 22:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oh come on, it's barely november

delete per nom cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:46, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Swifties#Relationship with Swift. The term is mentioned there. Could see a reasonable case to develop a little info about it at Cultural impact of Taylor Swift given some coverage in sources[48] and then subsequently retarget. estar8806 (talk) ★ 22:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Swifties#Relationship with Swift since that actually contains the term unlike her main bio page. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 02:31, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Party in the UDA

• Party in the UDA → Party in the U.S.A.  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Another unlikely misspelling since 3 words have to be typed correctly before getting to the misspelling. Steel1943 (talk) 20:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Very implausible. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment it would seem like a plausible adjacent character typo on QWERTY keyboards, as the [S] and [D] keys lie next to each other. And Party in the USA is a perfectly acceptable way of spelling the name of the song, not needing the fullstops. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • However, this is a recently created redirect of the last week, so there is no long term history of usage, so the creator should provide lexical stats on the likelihood of this typo above the the background expected adjacent character typo rate of any adjacent key-pairs, in order to keep this around. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete this error. I don't think the Ulster Defence Association were known for parties Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:40, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Party in the YSA

• Party in the YSA → Party in the U.S.A.  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Borderline unlikely WP:SEO-ish misspelling. Steel1943 (talk) 20:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Very implausible. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment it would seem like a plausible adjacent character typo on QWERTY keyboards, as the [y] and [u] keys lie next to each other. And Party in the USA is a perfectly acceptable way of spelling the name of the song, not needing the fullstops. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • However, this is a recently created redirect of the last week, so there is no long term history of usage, so the creator should provide lexical stats on the likelihood of this typo above the the background expected adjacent character typo rate of any adjacent key-pairs, in order to keep this around. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:21, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete this error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:38, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Snooze-A-Koopa

• Snooze-A-Koopa → Koopa Troopa  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:17, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Not mentioned anywhere. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's a cruel summer

• It's a cruel summer → Cruel Summer (Taylor Swift song)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Also a line in Cruel Summer (Bananarama song). No reason why one should be preferred over the other. Steel1943 (talk) 20:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or Setindexify per Steel1943. Personally I think of the Bananarama song first -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete (...Now you're gone), or retarget to disambiguation page Cruel Summer. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete we shouldn't be so quick to assume readers will look for one track above others with this line. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MoMA The Museum of Modern Art

• MoMA The Museum of Modern Art → Museum of Modern Art  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely redirect due to redundancy: Acronym at the beginning, then breaking down the acronym after the acronym. Reader would just ... type the acronym or the name, not both. Steel1943 (talk) 20:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

dpn delete per nom cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:48, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is how they style themselves on their social media (Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Flickr) making this a very plausible search term. Thryduulf (talk) 20:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep precisely per Thryduulf. BD2412 T 02:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, per Thryduulf. A legit alternate name. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:08, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Partyintheusa

• Partyintheusa → Party in the U.S.A.  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely lack of spaces. This redirect was created this year; such redirects are no longer technically necessary since the software that runs Wikipedia no longer requires using camel case titles. Steel1943 (talk) 20:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment It is the hashtag spelling of the song, missing the hashmark, which is technically impossible on pagenames. Whether we should keep such around or not is a different matter. #partyintheusa or #PartyInTheUSA -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Partu in the USA

• Partu in the USA → Party in the U.S.A.  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unlikely misspelling. Steel1943 (talk) 20:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, Partu is not in the USA. -- Tavix ^(talk) 22:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment it would seem like a plausible adjacent character typo on QWERTY keyboards, as the [y] and [u] keys lie next to each other. And Party in the USA is a perfectly acceptable way of spelling the name of the song, not needing the fullstops. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • However, this is a recently created redirect of the last week, so there is no long term history of usage, so the creator should provide lexical stats on the likelihood of this typo above the the background expected adjacent character typo rate of any adjacent key-pairs, in order to keep this around. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 23:25, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - unlikely error, I can't imagine someone typing that into the search bar, seeing a red link, and not realizing they made an obvious-looking typo. Sergecross73 msg me 00:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete this error. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Toyota CNa

• Toyota CNa → Toyota Sienna  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Very unlikely phonetic misspelling, especially considering all the letters in the phonetic aren't the same case. Steel1943 (talk) 19:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Extremely unlikely. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Useless.  Stepho  talk  21:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Garbage truxk

• Garbage truxk → Garbage truck  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Typing the entire first word correctly, then somehow mistyping the second word, especially considering that Truxk has never existed, seems unlikely and WP:COSTLY. Steel1943 (talk) 19:56, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Implausible typo. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment it is a plausible typo on a QWERTY keyboard, as the [X] and [C] keys are adjacent to each other. Adjacent key substitutions are thus a likely form of mistype. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:19, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • In any case, that being said, noting the plausibility, this is a recently created redirect from this week, so unless usage stats pop up that this particular spelling is more likely than the background error rate of adjacent key fumblings, I don't see much of a reason to keep it -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:19, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom, and maybe trout the creator or something. they've made a lot of indiscriminate typo redirects, wowie cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per Cogsan above. Sergecross73 msg me 00:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WPNFCC

• WPNFCC → Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Malformed shortcut missing the colon which makes it a cross namespace redirect as it is not in the Wikipedia namespace. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 19:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 19:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:XNR to non-readership content -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:20, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Either an error, or an inappropriate Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirects. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:N F C C

• Wikipedia:N F C C → Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Improper shortcut, shortcuts aren't supposed to have spaces like this. Implausible someone would type this instead of just WP:NFCC. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 19:31, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 19:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Embedded pun

• Embedded pun → Pun#Science and computing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

unmentioned, target section no longer exists, results gave me puns embedded on things and ai slop cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lowest form of humor

• Lowest form of humor → Pun  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

entirely correct!! term mentioned once in passing, though, and results seem to be torn between puns, sarcasm (a close second, possibly tied with blp vandalism), and wit (though some refer to wit as the highest form) cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

should mention. if not deleted, i'll be creating lowest form of humour to accompany it. just not gonna do it now because that'd require the effort of nominating it here, clumping them together, and then it might just get deleted anyway

should also mention that i'm not necessarily voting to delete, as i'm not good enough at dealing with lines that have gone into inspirational quote limbo to opine beyond "this might not be the right target tbh" cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment my gut feeling is that this should be a blue link as a plausible search term. Search results for the British English spelling are roughly evenly split between referring to puns and sarcasm, while the US spelling is almost entirely puns. "The lowest form of wit" all relates to Sarcasm (almost certainly due to the Oscar Wilde quote), "The lowest form of comedy" is almost entirely puns (but the second hit says it is sitcoms). On Wikipedia, "Lowest form of humor" gets a mention at Felicia Lamport#Life and work as part of a long quote from a review of one of her books; "Lowest form of humour" is mentioned at the end of Pun#Shakespeare. "Lowest form of wit" is mentioned as the title of works by Leonard Rossiter and Louis Untermeyer but nowhere else in mainspace. "Lowest form of comedy" is the title of a reference at Cameron Esposito but gets no other mainspace uses. Thryduulf (talk) 21:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Vague, could refer to almost anything, unfortunately. Steel1943 (talk) 22:57, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, per Thryduulf's research, puns fall within a reasonable definition and the term itself is familiar. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ハンマーブロス

• ハンマーブロス → List of Mario franchise characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not helpful for the English encyclopedia. Appears to refer to the Hammer Bros. antagonists in the Mario franchise. TNstingray (talk) 17:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

weak refine to #enemy characters. yeah, that refers to hammer bros. mario is a japanese franchise (really japanese, even, have you seen how many tanuki they can cram into a single game?), so japanese redirects are fine and dandy, though this one isn't mentioned, so meh cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ジュゲム

• ジュゲム → List of Mario franchise characters#Enemy characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Unhelpful for the English encyclopedia, and I don't see a connection to the Mario franchise. Google seems to point to Jugemu if consensus leads to this redirect being kept. TNstingray (talk) 17:28, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

keep. that refers to the lakitu. the japanese name is mentioned (if in a footnote), and while ジュゲム (jugemu) refers to lakitus, 寿限無 (jugemu) refers to jugemu jugemu gokō-no surikire kaijarisuigyo-no suigyōmatsu unraimatsu furaimatsu kuunerutokoro-ni sumutokoro yaburakōji-no burakōji paipopaipo paipo-no shūringan shūringan-no gūrindai gūrindai-no ponpokopī-no ponpokonā-no chōkyūmei-no chōsuke, where lakitu gets its name from. get nippon egao hyakkei'd lol cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 18:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Surface Laptop Studio 2

• Surface Laptop Studio 2 → Surface Laptop Studio  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

SLS2 is a different product than SLS (1) Hexware (talk) 16:44, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

either keep in absence of an article for the sls2, or return to red so someone might create that article. i'm leaning towards the latter, but it's just around 15º, so weak delete cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:55, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am creating the article, but still a rough draft the moment [49]. weak delete and return to red in the interim given lack of information about it on the SLS 1 page Anguswiki (talk) 22:59, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WPT:NFCC

• WPT:NFCC → Wikipedia talk:Non-free content  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This a new cross-namespace redirect that showed up on my Quarry query for cross-namespace redirects that I wanted to run by the regulars at RFD to determine whether it is appropriate. We have few redirects to Wikipedia talk pages. This was originally a redirect to Wikipedia talk:Non-free content criteria but that page is a redirect itself so I corrected it to point to a genuine talk page. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:49, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - completely unnecessary redirect. -- Whpq (talk) 16:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete as G6. "WT:" is the correct shortening of "Wikipedia Talk:" 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:24, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Ugh, I just took a look at the creator's other redirect creations, the vast majority of which are bad (most of the 1-letter-off typo variety, but also other types), and should probably be deleted also. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  See also WPNFCC, especially relevant to this particular case. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete improper use of a shortcut. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 19:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. We already have the proper shortcut, WT:NFCC. This nominated redirect serves no helpful purpose. Steel1943 (talk) 19:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fântânele River (Mureș)

• Fântânele River (Mureș) → Mureș (river)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Fantanele River (Mures) → Mureș (river)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Fântânele River (Mureş) → Mureș (river)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Was redirected under a verifiability concern years ago. Fântânele River doesn't list it. Can't find it on either OSM or Google maps. Used to also have Kutas-patak redirected to it, but that's a waterway somewhere else. Looks like this was the result of some sort of a confusion. Joy (talk) 19:18, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: There's also the version without diacritics, which I'll be adding here, since I think it should share the same fate. Regards, SONIC678 20:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Bundled another version Fântânele River (Mureş).
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• I think a Romanian/Romanian-speaking editor would be helpful here to determine whether this is actually a thing or not. Probably the result of some confusion with Fântânele, Mureș; the online source indicates that Fântânele is the name of a valley, but I'm not sure whether that translates to it being the name of a river. J947 ‡ ^edits 23:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I have found this river on an old hiking map, where it's called "V. Fîntînele" (old spelling using "î" instead of "â", in full it would be "Valea Fântânele"). It flows into the Mureș at Lunca Bradului. The same river is called "Obcina Ferigelor" on this hiking map, and it is mentioned as such in this listing, page 265 and in this source, page 137. According to the latter source, it is 7 km long and has a basin area of 23 km². This document refers to the river as "pârâul Obcina Ferigilor (pr. Fântânel)". But, "obcină" means "ridge" and "vale" means "valley", so these names could also refer to the wider area the river flows in. Concluding, there is evidence that this river exists, but it doesn't seem very notable. The Mureș (river) article mentions "Obcina Ferigerilor" as a right tributary, so we could add "Fântânel" or "Valea Fântânele" as an alternative name there, or (re)create an article about the river. Markussep ^Talk 08:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Communist Party (Kosovo)

• Communist Party (Kosovo) → List of political parties in Kosovo  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "communist" at the target article. A misleading redirect to a target where the party in question is not discussed. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 21:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to League of Communists of Kosovo. मल्ल (talk) 15:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Heather Cerveny

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

D'ni Restoration Council

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Diana Burnwood

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Nomos Publishing House redirects

• Swiss Journal of Business Research and Practice → Nomos Publishing House  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Die Unternehmung → Nomos Publishing House  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Redirect from a academic journal and its alternative name that has been publishing since 1947 to the current publisher. Used as a reference on a few articles. Nobody (talk) 06:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @1AmNobody24: The academic journal is not mentioned at all at the target, it's misleading in its current state. Even if it's used elsewhere, people will be misled by the redirect when there's nothing at the target, not even a mention. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:04, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Hey man im josh I disagree. Even if it's not mentioned, common sense is still a thing. For example: A book that redirects to a person? I'd assume it's the author. A magazine or journal that redirects to a publishing company? Obviously it's the publisher. Nobody (talk) 19:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @1AmNobody24: Common sense is a thing, but that doesn't mean it makes sense to redirect to places that offer absolutely no explanation whatsoever to the relevance. Common sense would be a lowercase version of the article's title. A lack of relevance or explanation at the target is a very frequent and normal reason for deletion. It's the same reason we delete, for instance, characters of shows where there's no mention of them at said target. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Hey man im josh The publisher can be of relevance. Some publishers have better Reputation than others, which, if the redirected journal is used as a reference for example, can influence the readers. I'm not saying this is the case here, just generally speaking. And while I agree that there are often deletions for lack of relevance or explanation. I don't think one should believe that unmentioned redirects always fit this criteria simply because they're unmentioned. Nobody (talk) 19:39, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Context is key, and there's no context at the target whatsoever in this situation. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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How many journals do they publish? If it's not an exorbitant amount, and if the count of 60 is accurate that's not too bad, I'd recommend just adding a list and keeping this. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crazee Dayzee

• Crazee Dayzee → Yoshi's Island  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:16, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - extremely minor character, unlikely to maintain a sourced mention in the article that doesn't violate WP:GAMECRUFT or WP:TRIVIA. Sergecross73 msg me 15:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sahatit

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

World's deepest cave

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Mlawu ka Rarabe

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 11#Mlawu ka Rarabe

Dream Factory (game developer)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

PKS 1402-012

• PKS 1402-012 → Parkes Catalogue of Radio Sources  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This belongs on the target list, but is just one of 8000, and isn't mentioned there. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. This was an article which existed for a short time, but was then BLARed by the creator/sole substantive contributor, Galaxybeing. If GB gives the go-ahead, this could probably just be G7ed. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  oops, fixed ping for Galaxybeing 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Northern countries

• Northern countries → Global North and Global South  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Southern countries → Global North and Global South  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Recently created and very vague. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 05:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Without further context, these terms appear to be mainly used as synonyms in regard to their development. [50][51][52][53].

I suggest a {{redirect}} hatnote to nordic countries since they share the similar meanings, and I found one source that refers to the nordics as northern: [54] Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

After reading the below IP editor's comment, disambiguation may be the best answer. It is a vague, yet still oft-used term. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:32, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Northern country and Southern country, these terms also refer to Northern Hemisphere countries and Southern Hemisphere countries geographically (ie. Central America, Caribbean, North Africa, South Asia, are in the Northern hemisphere), but we don't seem to have good targets for those subjects. That is distinctly different from the Global North and Global South. And there's the related term for Northern country being Western country/Western countries in geopolitics, which is distinct from Western Hemisphere countries geographically (ie. Europe is missing, Global South of South America is included). -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Work is an honor

• Work is an honor → Gulag  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Work is a honor → Gulag  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Work is an honour → Gulag  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Work is a honour → Gulag  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Seemingly unmentioned at the target. Also could not pull anything obvious up with a general search. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 05:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Appears to be a common refrain posted on gulags. The first thing a prisoner would have seen on their arrival at Vorkuta was a sign that said: “Work in the USSR Is a Matter of Honor and Glory.”[55], The emphasis is on the victims of the Gulag; the authors of the exhibition give a clear answer to the sacrosanct question, "To what deity were these sacrifices made?": No deity was involved. In some cases, a large ceremonial portrait of Stalin—the system's main demiurge— appears above the photographs of construction sites and camps. One characteristic example is the Museum of Military and Labor Glory (Taiga, Kemerovo). The exhibition "Rehabilitation" occupies a separate hall: in the "red corner" (traditionally used for icons) hangs a ceremonial portrait of Stalin decorated with barbed wire next to the slogan "For us, work is an HONOR, a deed of valor and heroism." [56]

A mention could potientially added, although I will leave it for others to find out if it is WP:DUE. Ca ^{talk to me!} 12:34, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I have bundled Work is a honor, Work is an honour, and Work is a honour as clearly needing the same outcome of this discussion. Skynxnex (talk) 22:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, “Work in the USSR Is a Matter of Honor and Glory” is a common slogan of Soviet GULAGs.

https://tadexprof.com/vorkuta-gulag/ NagisaEf (talk) 05:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jackie Aprile (disambiguation)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

This is Elon Musk

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

1HQ3Go3ggs8pFnXuHVHRytPCq5fGG8Hbhx

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Arbeitsamt

• Arbeitsamt → Economy of Germany  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The term is never mentioned in the target article. Perhaps it should be retargeted to Arbeitsamt in occupied Poland or be a disambig? It is also not mentioned in de version of the target article, de:Arbeitsamt does not have a wiki article yet (it seems related to the Public employment service) _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:FORRED. This just translates to "unemployment office" or "employment agency" and Wiktionary notes it as "historical, –2004". We don't have any content specifically about these topics in German-speaking countries. Thryduulf (talk) 12:16, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Bundesagentur für Arbeit. "Arbeitsamt" is the name of the official German state employment agency, which doesn't have an article on English Wikipedia (cf Jobcentre, which does) - the closest we have is our article on the government department responsible for these agencies. Tevildo (talk) 16:25, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the proposed retarget?
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• Delete as a WP:FORRED that doesn't have such a strong association with Bundesagentur für Arbeit so as to make it relevant to English-speakers. The most I could find in English sources were blog posts stating that German-speakers refer to the Bundesagentur für Arbeit as the Arbeitsamt. ― Synpath 17:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Bundesagentur für Arbeit. Actually Bundesagentur für Arbeit is the agency belonging to the ministry only and is divided into two divisions: Arbeitsagentur/Arbeitsamt for people who don't have a job for less than 12 months and Jobcenter for people who don't have a job for 12 months or longer. These are the official names. Killarnee (talk) 16:29, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

S-compact space

• S-compact space → Σ-compact space  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This seems to be a different concept that is not described anywhere. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: This is not a concept at all. If you look at the history for the S-compact space page, it was created by a bot in 2008, presumably because this bot automatically created such redirects because Σ-compact space also redirects to σ-compact space, and the bot converted the Greek letter to a Latin letter. Note from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Special:WhatLinksHere/S-compact_space that there are no Wikipedia articles making use of this redirect. It would also be very confusing for anyone to use "S-compact space" with the meaning of "sigma-compact". No mathematician would understand what it means, as it has no meaning. Since "σ-compact space" already has a variety of redirects from many other names that make sense and without using Greek letters for those who have difficulty typing those (like "Sigma-compact space", etc), it seems to me that the best course of action is to delete the redirect "S-compact space". PatrickR2 (talk) 21:07, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I believe these redirects are typing aids. It's an error to imagine that someone wanting to access Σ-compact space will necessarily first think of Sigma-compact space. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:01, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
  

• Keep [as a typing aid] [Maybe not significant but on the other hand, supporting dab] S-compact is used as a short form of strong locally compact, as if it is a standard notation, in Gompa, Raghu R. “What is ‘Locally Compact’?” Pi Mu Epsilon Journal 9, no. 6 (1992): 390–92. [57] It is used to describe certain bitopologial spaces in an apparently unconnected way here. It also seems to have a different use in fuzzy measure theory. However unless we cover these uses on Wikipedia (we don't as far as I can tell) this is a valid redirect. If we did at this page we should use a hatnote for sigma, otherwise a dab page might be in order. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 22:36, 2 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  Note that the article by Raghu is pretty idiosyncratic. Any undergraduate belonging (having belonged?) to the society can publish some writing there with their own notation. That does not make such notation notable. Pi Mu Epsilon Jouornal is not a peer reviewed journal and thus is not a reliable source. PatrickR2 (talk) 03:01, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  

  (Apart from the fact that bringing it up would seem to be an argument to retarget to Locally compact space#Formal definition (to which I just redirected strongly locally compact), not to keep.) 1234qwer1234qwer4 14:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I agree that bringing up those other cases supports dab or retarget. However I did not consider myself knowledgeable enough to evaluate the strength of that support. For example I found another case of "S-compact space" where S is merely a place-holder, which I could discard. I didn't want to repeat myself, but I have added my motivation for keep to my !vote. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 00:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

  @1234qwer1234qwer4 Maybe a little off topic here, but why did you create a redirect from strongly locally compact, just based on the existence of an article in an undergraduate journal using that terminology? It is not because a random person introduced that terminology in a random journal that it should belong in Wikipedia. Additions to Wikipedia, at least for mathematics, should be based on notable facts. How do you justify this terminology is "notable"? Leaving this in wikipedia is also encouraging people to start using this non-notable terminology :-( PatrickR2 (talk) 04:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @PatrickR2, I based my redirect on the inclusion (not added by me) of the phrase in the Locally compact space article (as well as a web search confirming the usage of this phrase – I barely ever create redirects just based on something singular). The article, in turn, cites Steen & Seebach's Counterexamples in Topology, which is convincing enough to me to leave it there. I did not realise that article also cited the Pi Mu Epsilon article until now; it likely shouldn't, but it appears to be only used as a source for the logical relations and not any terminology. 1234qwer1234qwer4 12:19, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  You keep creating these links "just in case". This is a misguided approach. If and when someone needs to link to 'locally compact" from "strongly locally compact", they can create the redirect at that time. It helps no one to create all these redirects if no one is going to use them. This is just gnome work gone overboard. Sorry for the rant, but it's not the first time ... PatrickR2 (talk) 02:41, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  
  

• Delete per nom. I've found at least two more, different "S-compact"s just looking through the arXiv, all fairly obscure, and none of which seem to have any existing coverage on Wikipedia (that I can find, at least). Thus any target would be misleading, including substituting "S" for sigma. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment it is a Eubot (talk · contribs) creation, Eubot made tonnes of these stupid incorrect Latin-to-Greek letter redirects -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:37, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  In the majority of cases Eubot ASCII-fications are plausible. This one isn't only because it conflicts with the notation for something else. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:25, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Snapseed 2.22.412829873

• Snapseed 2.22.412829873 → Snapseed  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It would make sense to have a redirect for a particularly important software version, but that version (and its importance) would need to be mentioned in the target page. WP:NOTCHANGELOG -MPGuy2824 (talk) 17:23, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It also would likely want to go to a section header / anchor, instead of simply Snapseed. In any case, delete as per WP:RETURNTORED; there may be important info on this topic, but it's not here, and a redlink is the best way to convey that. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello nice people ;)... i made it probably when i saw EXIF and see Software used, so i click and reroute to what we had (the article) and probaly that is it. Of course i wont bother if this is changed. Normally i use reroute for cameras in EXIF (EXIF is "cameras fingerprint"). Reroute=redirect --Petar Milošević (talk) 19:20, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and tag as {{R from EXIF}} per PetarM. Thryduulf (talk) 23:00, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Spacelike vector

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Cancellated

• Cancellated → Bone  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"cancellated" means two different things, neither primarily associated with bones. "cancellous" is apparently more primarily associated with bones though, so that's neato cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 13:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate between the relevant Wikipedia articles covering these meanings. BD2412 T 14:49, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Soft redirect to wikt. The original intention of this redirect was to target what is now Bone#Trabeculae (to where Cancellous bone redirects), but the other use of the word (Marked with cross lines) is mentioned in very many more articles, with no obvious general target. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Disambig per BD2412 with soft redirection as a second choice. Thryduulf (talk) 12:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  problem that i should have asked about before: what would those articles be? because one definition is as affiliated with bones as it is with sponges, the other could refer to any wacky cross, and neither seems to be discussed in any particular level of detail that would make it worth a dab cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ceddin Deden

• Ceddin Deden → Ottoman military band#"Ceddin Deden"  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Article now does not mention Ceddin Deden in any capacity anymore. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 11:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to İsmail Hakki Bey, where the song is described. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Decco Bishop

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KP2

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November 3

KP1

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Holy shit, we're gonna fucking die

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Wikipedia:Surprising

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Brrrt

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"E-SAF"

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Lists of charcters

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John Shedletsky

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Bible Hub

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SUE MEEE?

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EbonyPrince2K24

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KVV Heusden-Zolder

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Endo (cannabis)

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Ekaladerhan n'Izoduwa n'ovbie Ogiso

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Tatiana Maksimova

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Cho-Island

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United Rapes

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Circlejerk subreddit

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1996 in California

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Indy HeroClix (heroclix)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Baronage of Scotland

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Handwriting expert

• Handwriting expert → Graphology  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I would think that the modern primary meaning of "handwriting expert" would be the person who scientifically examines handwriting to determine authorship, not the pseudoscientific person who analysis handwriting to divine personality characteristics. I am on the fence about whether this should be retargeted to Graphanalysis, or disambiguated. BD2412 T 16:13, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Hmm. I think I'd lean toward retargeting to Forensic handwriting examination, which is already a dab page with a couple potential entries, but I don't feel super strongly about it. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • An expert is not an examination, though, and Graphology (which should be mentioned on a disambiguation page for the nominated term) is not forensic. BD2412 T 18:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Questioned document examination as avoiding double redirect from Graphanalysis, which has a hatnote to Graphology. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Well, it definitely shouldn't go to Graphology, that's for sure. I think Forensic handwriting examination is probably the best retarget, since that will also aim readers at palaeography and diplomatics, two other kinds of handwriting expertise. Disclosure: I have no idea if this counts as a COI, lol. -- asilvering (talk) 15:29, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dana Fuller

• Dana Fuller → Dana Fuller Ross  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete: "Dana Fuller Ross" was a pseudonym not shortened to "Dana Fuller". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Dana Fuller Ross does not mention notability, has no references. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update' someone converted the target Dana Fuller Ross (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) to a disambiguation page -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 02:17, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Piruzān

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Coramandal FC

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List of chairpersons of the Telangana Legislative Council

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PGC 2399018

• PGC 2399018 → Principal Galaxies Catalogue  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This galaxy is part of the target list, but it is one of 73,000 and isn't mentioned there. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not mentioned. ‹hamster717🐉› ^{(discuss anything!🐹✈️ • my contribs🌌🌠)} 13:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment This used to point to 2MASX J09175344+5143379 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) which used to be a 20kB article before it was BLAR'd -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:12, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The west has fallen, billions must die

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Web interfaces

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Web-interface

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Neo-mooris

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Neo-moors

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Çornosturuf

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Kırıvçe

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This is Elon Musk Tesla cofounder and CEO

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List of zombie other films

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Ramstyng

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November 2

Jishan Alam

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Heathe N. Craig Joint Theater Hospital

• Heathe N. Craig Joint Theater Hospital → Bagram Airfield  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Craig Joint Theater Hospital → Bagram Airfield  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no mention of "Craig" or "Theater" at the target article. This redirect is tagged as having possibilities, but such possibilities are closer to impossible if this redirect is a blue link and pointing at a title where the hospital is not discussed. Is mentioned on 3 pages: List of hospitals in Afghanistan, 455th Air Expeditionary Wing, and Advanced cardiac life support. Unsure if any of these are truly ideal, however, or if WP:REDYES would apply. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 21:15, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: For what it's worth, for most of its life (since 2010), the redirect actually pointed to a section discussing the hospital in the Bagram Airfield article, until the section was removed in Special:Diff/1032112406 in 2021. I'm frankly not sure whether the section should have been removed under the reasoning that was given. – Recoil16 (talk) 23:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• If relisted, should be bundled with Heathe N. Craig Joint Theater Hospital. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdullah Al Mamum

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Crop Protection (journal)

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Cruciverbalist

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Scottish Nose-pickers

• Scottish Nose-pickers → Scottish National Party  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Scottish Nose Pickers → Scottish National Party  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Scottish Nosepickers → Scottish National Party  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Little Evidence that this is a title that would be searched for. Only a reference to Nicola Sturgeon Picking her nose can be found using this search term. See no need for a redirect on that basis. Blethering Scot 15:45, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note I've merged these two related nominations that had an identical rationale. Thryduulf (talk) 16:28, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep this is a very-long established nickname with lots of independent uses, e.g. [58], [59], [60], [61], [62], [63], and plenty of others. Thryduulf (talk) 16:27, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Thryduulf. BarntToust^(Talk) 20:56, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note I've added the other redirect I made of a variant of this name. UltrasonicMadness (talk) 10:21, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, not mentioned at target/WP:REDYES. I would expect someone searching for this term already knows what it refers to, but is looking for information about its usage specifically -- information we don't have. And on the off chance someone doesn't, they may be left wondering why they were led to the target in the first place. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:43, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per 35. Possibly speedy as well. Maybe those sources are good, I don't know. But it is definitely not helpful for regular readers, because the only evidence that they might be at the right place is tucked into an October 2024 discussion in projectspace (this one). So readers are unable to verify any of that, or "easily check that information comes from a reliable source". On top of that, it's G10. No mention of "nose" or "picker" at the target. The example textualized at the WP:G10 policy page clarifies that "mentioned attacks are valid". It's never been the case where the opposite is acceptable (unmentioned attacks). Delete. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:16, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:RNEUTRAL, tag as non-neutral. This is a perjorative name that isn't clearly linked to its target at first glance, but as Thryduulf states has a long history of being used. I disagree with the IP's assertion that someone searching for this topic would 100% be trying to find out more info about what the name comes from-- they could just as easily be trying to figure out what it refers to. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  "they could just as easily be trying to figure out what it refers to". But we have no information to help them determine that, or why it does. Wikipedia is not Google. If an ignorant reader puts in in the search bar, they'll have no idea why they landed where they did, with no information about the phrase they were looking for. It's misleading and a waste of a reader's time. Therefore, deletion is the only reasonable action here. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:14, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The readers would probably notice that the acronyms of both are the same. Ca ^{talk to me!} 06:02, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Maybe, maybe not. And even if they do, they'd have no idea why they were redirected. Is this a common term? Is it a well known thing that someone used once with some encyclopedic history? Is it vandalism? The ignorant reader has no way of knowing, because we have no information about it. Wikipedia is not Google -- it's not our job to tell people what the term refers to without context; it's our job to provide the context. And if we have none, then the redirect shouldn't exist. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep per Thryduulf. Sure, some readers aren't going to realise the implication of this redirect's existence (that this redirect is a term used to refer to the SNP). But if this is deleted, no readers will realise that implication. J947 ‡ ^edits 23:54, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  "If this is deleted, no readers will realise that implication", and that's bad? Offensive redirects which aren't discussed at the target sounds like a reason to delete such redirects (RFD Del #3). I feel like we'd rather not expose readers to unsourced political attacks in the form of redirects, especially so because there's no information or sources in the article they end up at which could back up this title, and therefore no way for readers to determine if this attack has ANY basis in reality. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  (other than from the existence of this redirect). J947 ‡ ^edits 09:31, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - Term in use. No mention needed at target, as the redirect itself will provide information to the searcher-- "What is this? Oh, it's an insult for these guys." Tag as non-neutral redirect. Fieari (talk) 23:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  "'What is this? Oh, it's an insult for these guys.'" Really? Who coined it? Who famously used it? Is it vandalism? We have no information about it, and thus the redirect shouldn't exist. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Nose picking by country#Scotland. Delete per IP 35.139.154.158. I'm happy to pick this back up if a mention were to stick. -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chaotolerance

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Ra'ad 1

• Ra'ad 1 → RAAD (anti-tank guided missile)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The more I research this redirect, the more confused I get. For starters, this redirect formerly targeted the article that is currently at Fajr-3 (artillery rocket), and did for the past six years. However, before that, this redirect targeted the article which it currently targets. However, to throw some more confusion into the mix, another similarly-titled article, Raad-1, exists. I may have figured out a better plan for what to do with this redirect by now if it were not for its incoming links; I am not clear what subject these links are meant to refer to. I'm thinking disambiguate is the way to go here, but I'm incredibly unclear what the base title should be for such a disambiguation page. Steel1943 (talk) 00:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment both RAAD (anti-tank guided missile) and Raad-1 say they mean Thunder and Thunder-1. ; while Fajr-3 (artillery rocket) seems to mean Aurora-3 or Dawn-3 ? -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bhairabi Temple, Boudh district

• Bhairabi Temple, Boudh district → Boudh district#Purunakatak  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Among the temples listed at the article, "Bhairabi" isn't one of them, and the section this redirect points to no longer exists. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:02, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Burnt Food

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Barney's Magical Musical Adventure

• Barney's Magical Musical Adventure → Barney & Friends#Movies and specials  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "Magical", or "Musical Adventure" at the target article. People looking for this individual show would not receive what they were looking for at the target.

The only mentions of "magical musical adventure" on all of Wikipedia are at David Joyner (actor) (which is unusable imo) and Barney (franchise), which is only mentioned once, in a sidebar. I'm not convinced this is the best option either, but at least better than no mentions (which is the status quo).

It might've been possible for me to retarget to Barney (franchise) without RfDing, as a means of getting it off the current target where its not mentioned, but I slightly prefer deletion of this redirect and/or recreation as an individual page, if that's even possible. Pointing as a redirect to Barney (franchise), with its only mention contained in the infobox, is not very ideal for this subject. All of the other Barney DtV home videos in the infobox seem to have their own standalone articles, so perhaps this one has some hope as well? Especially with the history behind this title, (even if it was supposably unreferenced since 2007, until being BLAR'd in early 2024). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:16, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Apparently, this was on List of Barney and Friends episodes at one point. Perhaps the list of specials can be restored to that page? -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 01:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Farm park

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Zulu Christianity

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Shen an calhar

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Wikipedia:Example of a redirect

• Wikipedia:Example of a redirect → Wikipedia:Redirect  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Shouldn't an example of a redirect redirect to like an example page? I don't think anyone wants to use this just to get info about redirect policies. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 21:03, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Maybe someone wanted to use this for example purposes, but if so, it's currently unused, so there doesn't seem to be any reason to keep it around. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:42, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Seems useful for demonstrating to a new editor how a redirect works. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:16, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I am fine with retargetting too. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:40, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Help:Redirect#Syntax which is probably the best place that contains redirect examples. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 15:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per Godsy. That will work equally well for those using the redirect for demonstrating how a redirect works, but also be more useful for those looking for example redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 12:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep (preference) or Retarget (2nd choice). I'm actually fine with the current use, being an example to show to newbies during mentorship or whatever, but that purpose will not be interfered with much if we switch the target. The current target is more detailed about what a redirect is, the proposed target gives more detailed instructions on how to make a redirect. I think both are useful to a newbie, but the current target makes slightly more sense to me. Fieari (talk) 05:50, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Help:Redirect#Syntax per Godsy, which is clearly a better target than the current one. CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:45, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lana Lang and Clark Kent

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-1'

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Georgea

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Yosi (Nintendo character)

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Pufferthorn

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Lu Tianna

• Lu Tianna → Kirsten Gillibrand  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It's unclear why this redirects here. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak delete This site and other, seemingly less reliable, sources indicate that "Lu Tianna" is a Chinese-language name adopted by or used to refer to Gillibrand. There is precedent to keep these sorts of names, as seen in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 31#Foreign language redirects to Kamala Harris. But, unlike Harris's Chinese names, I don't find evidence of widespread use. I am willing to reconsider if evidence that this is indeed commonly used by Chinese speakers to refer to Gillibrand exists. Note that Lu Tian Na, which is used here by the New York Times, exists as well. I am not a Chinese speaker so cannot say if the number of words makes a difference. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment if this is treated like a Chinese name, then the variant spellings available from "Lu Tianna" would be "Lu Tian-na", "Lu Tian-Na", "Lu Tian Na" -- and the flipped forms "Tianna Lu", "Tian-na Lu", "Tian Na Lu" -- NYT uses one of the styles you can do with the syllables. In the PRC, the preferred form would have a single "word" to represent a name, so "Lu Tianna" if Lu is the surname and Tianna is the given name. This isn't the preferred style used in Hong Kong or Taiwan though. That is dependent and independent on romanization method, as some people style their names differently from the romanization method's preferred form. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep. Her Chinese name is known by the Chinese-language world, used by Chinese-language media. I can search a bunch of news article if I search on Google by her Chinese name "陸天娜" [64][65][66]. The name Lu Tianna (陆天娜; 陸天娜) is used by herself, pretty irrelevant to her English name. Lu Tianna, Lu Tian Na, Lu Tian-Na, Lu Tian-na are essentially the same, just with or without space or hyphen. It is just the difference of transliteration, all of them are used to some degree (and actually "Lu Tianna" is the most conventional transliteration). However, the transliteration is not a conventional way to refer to her, not in Chinese media or English media. This makes me doubt but I am still leaning that it is more useful than harmful. Sun8908 _Talk 14:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tripartite Treaty (1906)

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Tisha Punia

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Handegg

• Handegg → Handeck  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Opening a discussion as this redirect's target has gone back and forth between Handeck and American football since its creation without any consensus. I would say it should clearly point to American football (or possibly Gridiron football), as even a fairly uncommon term for a major sport is far more likely to be the intended meaning by most users rather than an alternative spelling of an extremely small settlement on Switzerland. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 18:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• 18 Wikipedia articles have mention of Handegg as a Place. There are none for Football. Handegg as reference to Football is an urban slang contrived pejorative inferred to have originated with "round-ball" Soccer enthusiasts, who actually comprise an extremely small sample of "actual" soccer fans and aficionados -and- within that segment of slang usage, it is not used in the targeted American, Canadian or Australian vernaculars. Web searches reveal a mixed rejection/acceptance consensus. Finally, I don't know if this discussion's initiator may be a "such a slang user" themself (no problem for me) -or- has even previously edited redirects to American, Canadian or Australian football, but redirecting to Football effectively serves as indirection for the uninformed (which slights Handeck/Handegg references) and furthers the "joke" of Soccer origins.DeXXus (talk) DeXXus (talk) 23:10, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. It seems the article on the place was moved from "Handegg" to "Handeck" without discussion. I don't know if that was a good move or not, but even if so, this redirect should stay at the place name, which does include a Wiktionary hatnote, which even notes that it can refer to other flavors of football, but for which we have no encyclopedic content about the term itself. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 00:30, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Keep, in case it wasn't clear per my comments above and Mx Granger's clear explanation below. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 20:50, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment hand-egg and Hand Egg points to American football, according to our Wiktionary entry, this is wrong, since it applies to all grid-iron, and rugby as well. hand egg is a redlink, while American handegg, Canadian handegg, and Australian handegg point to the expected destinations. --- I would suggest that hand-egg be turned into a set index of the grid-iron, Aussie, Gaelic, and rugby forms and their balls; "hand egg" would repoint there. "Handegg" would keep pointing to "Handeck" with a hatnote to the new set index at "hand-egg" which would also show wikt:en:hand-egg and wikt:en:handegg and hatnote Handeck; which has the redirect Handegg, Guttannen -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  This seems fine to me. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  A disambiguation page would also make sense, but because the usual spelling has no hyphen the disambiguation should be located at Handegg rather than Hand-egg surely. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 16:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  There are multiple uses of "Handegg" to refer to Switzerland on Wikipedia already, including other articles with that in their titles, so it seems better to use the form that is not used by Switzerland for the SIA name -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 21:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  IOW, hand-egg is the WP:NATDIS form for the sports topic, which does not refer to Switzerland, thus a better pagename for the title of the set-index -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. The slang term is not mentioned in the American football or Gridiron football articles, so retargeting there would not serve our readers.
  • A reader who is familiar with the slang term and wants to read about American football or Canadian football will most likely search for those more conventional terms rather than an uncommon slang term.
  • A reader who encounters the slang term and wants to know what it means will most likely be confused by a redirect to American football, as the slang term isn't mentioned or explained there. That reader is better served by the current redirect and hatnote to Wiktionary.
  • A reader who is looking for the Swiss village, which is spelled "Handegg" in some sources, is clearly best served by the current redirect.

I'm struggling to imagine a realistic scenario in which a reader would be better served by a redirect to a football article than by the current redirect. See Talk:Handeck for past discussions. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Set-indexify per the IP editor. There isn't a primary topic between the slang uses and the settlement so its right that the setindex is primary. Thryduulf (talk) 12:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Come on. "Handegg" as a name for "football" is a joke, and people who say it know it's a joke. If they want to get to the article on American football, they'll simply type that. -- asilvering (talk) 15:20, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bart (devil)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Tony DiGerolamo

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Blue Yoshi

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Yellow Yoshi

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Ultrajectine

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Waking the Dragons

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 9#Waking the Dragons

Memory World

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Duelist Kingdom

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Pegasus' Cards

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King of Games

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Buster blader

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It’s time to du-du-du-du-du-du-du-du-duel!

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Banning policy

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Blocking policy

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Username policy

• Username policy → Wikipedia:Username policy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• User name policy → User (computing)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Recently-created cross-namespace redirect. C F A 💬 20:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• My question with XNRs to projectspace is always, "Is it plausible that someone would be looking for this internal page while new enough to not know what namespaces are?" Given that for many people creating a username is the first step in contributing to Wikipedia, I find the answer in this case an emphatic yes. Keep. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 22:38, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• I support deleting this redirect. Pages in mainspace are primarily for the benefit of the general readership. "Username policy" is not a term familiar to the general public as being related to English Wikipedia. isaacl (talk) 23:10, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to User (computing)#Username format. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:18, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  That section provides a bit of info on operation system restrictions for usernames. A username policy is generally about rules enacted by an organization about usernames (thus is at the discretion of the organization and not solely due to technical limitations). isaacl (talk) 17:22, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete this unnecessary and confusing Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirect. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete not a Wikipedia specific term as other websites have username policies and there could be other uses that don't involve computers etc where usernames have policies. Also User (computing)#Username format doesn't appear to discuss policies so it probably not a good target. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:03, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete WP:XNR too much navel gazing. There is so much material that could be built about controversial username policies for social media and accounts allowed by corporations. There's the unreasonable name length bans for users of various services that appear in the news now and then, about people with long names or short names, not allowed names, etc -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per Pppery. That page already has a hatnote pointing to Wikipedia:Username policy. --Ahecht (TALK
  PAGE) 19:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to User (computing)#Username format. Seems right to me. Steel1943 (talk) 05:50, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I agree with Tamzin on this one, the username policy trips up so many new users that I think having an XNR is more helpful than harmful. Legoktm (talk) 04:29, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note that User name policy that was created in 2006, has targeted User (computing) since 2007. Any outcome would need to be consistent. Jay 💬 18:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 10:36, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I have added User name policy to this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 15:41, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to User (computing)#Username format and move the article hatnote to the section, with a better explanation of why WP:USERNAME is linked, so that those users who are as of yet unfamiliar with namespaces can find what they are looking for. The current hatnote is insufficiently explanatory, and if I was confused and looking for the wikipedia username policy I doubt I'd understand the current wording. Fieari (talk) 05:32, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Claire Miller

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 9#Claire Miller

ChinaFile

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 9#ChinaFile

Chir'daki

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Murder of Paige Chivers

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Toady (Nintendo character)

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November 1

Usurper King

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

India women's national futsal team

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Zelda 2016

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Carlos Brown (cricketer)

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Gilon Tyson

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Adam Thomas (cricketer)

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OFM Sykes

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Nimar Bolden

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Jediah Blades

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Wikipedia:Redirect/Archive 1

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/MUSTARD/Redirects

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Good articles on Wikipedia

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 8#Good articles on Wikipedia

Wikipedia:Retarget

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 8#Wikipedia:Retarget

Bibi the butcher

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 8#Bibi the butcher

P Diddler

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Kylie Koopa

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List of characters in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga

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Manual of Style:

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Mario &Luigi: SuperStar Saga

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Belly Blech

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Panjshiri dialect

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Wikipedia Manual of Style

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No Original Research

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WP;OR

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BLP:CRIME

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Great Depression in the Middle East

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 8#Great Depression in the Middle East

Pink Yoshi

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Hez

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

Featured article candidates

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Nomination featured article

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Diddler and The Diddler

• Diddler → Cheating  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Diddler → Sean Combs Sean Combs sexual misconduct allegations  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The first redirect was created by a new user in 2015. Unsurprisingly, the topic isn't covered in cheating. The second term is an informal term for Sean Combs. Hence, I'm asking to delete them. Tavantius (talk) 22:55, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, classic {{r from avoided double redirect}}. Diddler => cheater => cheating. Cremastra (u — c) 00:32, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Term has very unfortunate and known implications towards children and nobody ever uses this term for anyone above age in general vernacular. This is a SALT candidate for sure. Nate • (chatter) 00:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I mean. Could also just... retarget to pedophilia. Most everyone who uses the term is referring to that, anyways, might as well take 'em to where they expect to go. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• disambiguate per the two uses described above, and a see also to Diddle (disambiguation) ; and also the uses Diddler (trolleybus) operated by the London United Tramways, Didier Casnati (stagename "The Diddler"), Jeremy Diddler, P Diddler from P Diddler And The Fearsome Foursome, The Diddler from Bluntman and Chronic, The Diddler from Megamaths, Diddler from Pirates (1986 film), Diddler from Most Extreme Elimination Challenge, Diddler from Bloodfist III: Forced to Fight, "The Diddler" song from Ideas+drafts+loops, "Diddler on the Roof" at Recurring Saturday Night Live characters and sketches introduced 2017–18, "Diddler" as shown at Riddler in other media, "The Diddler" novel by P.G. O'Dea -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:27, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • NOTE disambig drafted for evaluation below the RfD header on the redirect -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:16, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The Diddler redirect should be added to this RfD -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @65.92.246.77: Done. Tavantius (talk) 19:14, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguation of Diddler is clearly justified by the draft page. The Diddler may need to be its own DAB page, since we don't target redirects to DAB pages. It just needs to include the subset of Diddler targets that specifically have the article (seven by my count). There's no mention, referenced or otherwise, of Sean Combs being known as The Diddler at the time of my writing this. ― Synpath 01:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • We do target DAB pages with redirects, WP:RTODAB, but this kind of variation isn't mentioned in the examples. ― Synpath 01:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • WP:THE would suggest that "The X"/"A X"/"An X" and "X" should be combined because of how Wikipedia treats titles with "The"/"A"/"An" and whether our guidelines find the "The"/"A"/"An" significant or not, which would be different from how people encounter it in the real world. Such as the example given of "The Journey to the West"/"The White House" uses the preferred form "Journey to the West"/"White House", thus separating out a "The Diddler" would be counter-productive, unless the page grows so large that navigability would suggest a split be made. The Doctor (disambiguation) leads to Doctor (disambiguation) showing a usage of the combined disambiguation page for the forms "The Doctor" and "Doctor". As does Nightmare (disambiguation) which combines "(A /The )[Kn/N]ight(-/ /)[m/M]are(s)" forms. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 19:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in agreement, no need for a separate DAB page (struck). I was thinking it was a little silly when I wrote it, but didn't check further after reading WP:RTODAB (confirmation bias strikes again). Going back again I see you're right and WP:DABNAME covers this under point five. ― Synpath 23:23, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

intriguingly, the redirect was created by @FunkMonk, a veteran user with over 100 thousand edits. Tavantius (talk) 04:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which one? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• A quick Google search should give the answer, it's a common nickname related to the allegations:[67][68][69][70][71] FunkMonk (talk) 08:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambig Diddler based on the draft and retarget The Diddler there, where there are multiple fictional characters named exactly that mentioned. Thryduulf (talk) 13:39, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The nomination of The Diddler had the incorrect target. I have fixed it.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 17:16, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Time of Shedding and Cold Rocks

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Late 00s recession

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 9#Late 00s recession

Moneygeddon

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Eirik Suhrke

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: move draft overtop

Snake eyes

• Snake eyes → Snake Eyes  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This was, for a long time, an article about rolling two ones. Redirected to Craps#Rolling in 2020, as it was deemed not notable enough for a standalone article. Later retargeted to the dabpage. I'd argue this is a good situation for WP:DIFFCAPS - the craps meaning is the primary topic, and nothing at Snake Eyes is referred to as "snake eyes". 162 etc. (talk) 16:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Move the disambiguation page to Snake eyes. There are two notable things possibly called "Snake eyes", at that capitalization. The dice roll, and the actual eyes of an actual snake. I suppose the latter term could also be used to describe reptilian eyes in other contexts (aliens, or the like). The content on the dice roll should be restored and merged somewhere appropriate for that content. BD2412 T 16:27, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move the disambiguation page The purpose is to bring people to the page they are looking for. I think the DAB page lists the media and the "rolling of the dice" definition. There have been two major movies with the same name over the past few decades that might bring people to where they want to go. If people search "snake eyes", it should bring them to the DAB page instead of the "Craps (rolling)" section that does not have a DAB link. Marty2Hotty (talk) 19:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note that Snake Eyes is currently at RM. 162 etc. (talk) 20:14, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Snake Eyes (G.I. Joe) is, with implications for Snake Eyes, but I don't see that going anywhere. BD2412 T 03:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• This title should lead readers to the disambiguation page. Whether that is because the dab page is here, or because it redirects to the dab page at Snake Eyes I have no preference. Thryduulf (talk) 12:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marzipan joyjoys

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 8#Marzipan joyjoys

Menthol Moose

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Haskell Harr

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Azaroth

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Morgan Smith (rapper)

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Benji Floros

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Shattered Island (Skylanders)

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October 31

Counter-Strike player models

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White Gangster

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SpydaT.E.K

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GKR (DJ)

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Ricardo Drue

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Wikipedia:Standard articles

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WPSECONDARY

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Tesonet

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WH:HG

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedily deleted

PKS 0451-28

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Nortwest Airways

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

buccal organ(s)

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Articles for deletion/Health of Donald Trump

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Strogino CS Portal

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Building a sentry

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Day belt

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Hat Simulator

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The Human Aquarium

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 8#The Human Aquarium

2029 in spaceflight

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 8#2029 in spaceflight

2028 ICC Women's T20 World Cup

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2031 Africa Cup of Nations

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2033 SEA Games

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Lists of Telugu films of future years

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IRAS 13349+1428

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Liberal Democratic Hotline Team

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Putting wedge

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Cackala

• Cackala → Kamala Harris  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

@Hyphenation Expert: nominated this for R3 because WP:RNEUTRAL: not "in multiple mainstream RS". I have declined this. The term is indeed attested on the internet (c.f. e.g. https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/09/the-biden-we-were-told-about-never-existed/ and https://moonbattery.com/biden-harris-regime-authorizes-military-to-kill-us/ ), which I think makes it a perfectly reasonable thing for someone to type in the search bar, even if they're not expecting a full article on this word. Duckmather (talk) 13:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - this is contentious information about a living person; if it is not notable enough to be described on Wikipedia with an inline citation to a reliable source, the redirect is WP:G10. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete silly childish nickname that I doubt very much will ever really be a search term. Slatersteven (talk) 14:03, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:RNEUTRAL: not "in multiple mainstream RS". The National Review article doesn't say "Cackala"; it's a comment in the comment section (WP:NATIONALREVIEW is "no consensus" reliable anyway). Moonbattery is a WordPress blog. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 14:18, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• (edit conflict) Keep Very widely used to the extent it's plausible someone will see it out of context and look for information on who it refers to. "Childish" nicknames are definitely not G10 material. Thryduulf (talk) 14:19, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete per WP:G10. Ibadibam (talk) 18:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Thryduulf, your declining of the speedy deletion nom and then also !voting here is an improper WP:INVOLVED action. Please revert one of them. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:36, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I disagree that this was inappropriate and neither action was in my capacity as an admin. Anybody can contest a speedy deletion nomination (other than the creator, in some circumstances) and it was already being discussed here. Thryduulf (talk) 19:48, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  100% not WP:INVOLVED. All speedy deletion requests (other than office actions and copyright violations) are negated if any user objects, and as there is already a non-unanimous deletion discussion underway (this discussion), the article is not eligible for G10 and any admin acting responsibly should have declined the request. The accountability policy deals specifically with admin actions, not all things an admin might do; some take the view that declining a speedy deletion request is an admin action regardless of the fact that any user can decline, but !voting in a straw poll is definitely not an admin action. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:26, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep because I don't imagine Kamala Harris would be particularly worried about a redirect to the Wikipedia article on her, and so BLP worries aren't major. I'm amazed that WP:RNEUTRAL is being used as a rationale for deletion (and even speedy deletion!) when it says nothing other than "treat non-neutral redirects like any other redirect" with only an implication of applying slightly more caution. The point is – it's a plausible search term as it's a nickname so divorced from Harris' actual name that readers would be liable to not immediately understand to whom it refers, and seek this site for an explanation. J947 ‡ ^edits 04:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  "it says nothing other than 'treat non-neutral redirects like any other redirect'"

  In fact, it says redirects that are not established terms – used in multiple mainstream reliable sources – may be nominated for deletion. And even: G10 and G3 may apply. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 20:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Sufficiently in-use in the wild that someone may legitimately be confused by it and want to know who is being referred to. Redirects are generally non-user facing, so this should not introduce any WP:BLP issues. I might have suggested it be added to List of nicknames used by Donald Trump, except to my astonishment he actually hasn't used it personally that I can tell, it's just in wide wide WIDESPREAD use by his fans. MAGAs are weird. Fieari (talk) 01:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete : A nonsensical derogatory name used a few times by Magas on social media and once by a partisan magazine should not be sufficient criterion for it's inclusion on Wikipedia. Nohorizonss (talk) 07:34, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - This is textbook WP:RCOM, without there being any prominent use of it as a reference to Harris. FOARP (talk) 09:46, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Thryduulf et al. Silly nickname, widely-used in social media (which makes it plausible enough for keeping). Reasons for deletion seem a bit over the top IMO, considering that this isn't a grave insult in any way. CycloneYoris ^talk! 19:29, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, per WP:RNEUTRAL's stated exception: not established terms [that] are unlikely to be useful may be deleted, in this case under reason for deletion #3: The redirect is offensive or abusive. A non-neutral term is established if it is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources. This particular term is not, apparently appearing in zero mainstream reliable sources. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 08:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Being used in multiple-mainstream reliable sources is just an example of how a term might be established. The widespread use on social media seen here is another example. Thryduulf (talk) 11:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Our gauge for "widespread use on social media" normally is the published opinion of reliable sources, not editors' assertions that it is so, nor editors' claims to have seen this or that on Twitter. Have we lowered this standard for BLPs when the subject is a political figure? Or does WP:BLP still say things like "never use [...] social network posts [...] as sources of material about a living person" and "contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion"? Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  There's a huge difference between things that appear in articles, that is, are "user facing", and things meant to act as navigation aides. The former needs proper sourcing, the latter just needs to be helpful and not misleading. Redirects absolutely do not need to be held to the same standard as article text. Fieari (talk) 23:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Non-neutral terms widely used on social media and similar but not regularly reported in mainstream media are exactly the sort of things people will search for, either because they want to find neutral information about the subject and don't realise the term is non-neutral or not mainstream or because they don't know or don't remember who/what is being referred to. Wikipedia redirects help both these groups find the information they are looking for (which is after all the primary goal of Wikipedia). They don't need to be neutral (indeed per WP:RNEUTRAL explicitly so), they just need to be accurate and useful. All that needs verifying is "is this term used to refer to the subject of/information found at the target?" and social media is reliable for that. Thryduulf (talk) 12:25, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Being used in multiple-mainstream reliable sources is just an example of how a term might be established. The widespread use on social media seen here is another example.: I'm not as sure of that. WP:RNEUTRAL's language is if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral. Being used in multiple mainstream reliable sources is the way a non-neutral term becomes an established term, or at least that's what was agreed at the guideline establishes a term. With social media so diffuse and disparate, both big and siloed, I'm not sure how we can collectively feel sure of the reach of a term not otherwise recognized. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 19:45, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per WP:RNEUTRAL. Enix150 (talk) 20:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  As noted above, this redirect is compatible with RNEUTRAL. Thryduulf (talk) 11:20, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, not mentioned at target, plain and simple. All this back-and-forth about neutrality is smoke and mirrors. Anyone looking for encyclopedic information about the nickname will find none (nor is there a mention anywhere in WP), leaving the reader with wasted time at best, and confusion at worst. John Q Reader searches for this, finds himself at the Harris article and wonders, "why am I here? is this a nickname? why? is it her own nickname? someone else's? good? bad? in between? is it vandalism?" etc etc. People have mentioned "valid search term", which is it, but for itself, not for Harris. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per 35.139.154.158. I was leaning toward "keep" because it sounds like it's become popular online; if it gets used, it's a reasonable redirect on plausibility grounds, regardless of references in major media. However, we shouldn't go confusing readers, which this redirect is likely to do. If we keep it, someone who encounters this term for the first time and searches it on Wikipedia will be confused, as the IP says about John Q Reader, while if we delete it, someone who knows that it means Harris and searches it on Wikipedia will know how to find her article without help from this redirect. Nyttend (talk) 00:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lego racers

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy keep

Firstly

• Firstly → 1  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Secondly → 2  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Thirdly → 3  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Don't think a redirect relating to the adverb to a page that is specifically about the number is a good idea. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 04:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Not a term that should be wikilinked. If readers wanted an article about 1, they would search up one, not a derivation of it. It has low pageviews therefore I do not support a soft redirect, since Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Ca ^{talk to me!} 15:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Neutral on redirecting to DAB per 65.92 These are related terms, but none of the usages(I am not familiar with all of the listed items) can be called "firstly", "secondly", "thirdly". Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Bundled Secondly, Thirdly. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 11:55, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to First (disambiguation) / Second (disambiguation) / Third (disambiguation) -- respectively ; as {{R from adverb}} -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 13:02, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete (all). The dab page is inappropriate, as there are no particular matches there. And otherwise way too vague to retarget anywhere else. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Unlikely search term, rarely (if ever) would assist in navigation the site. Drdr150 (talk) 18:07, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to wikt:firstly, wikt:secondly, wikt:thirdly. These redirects are decades old, and they've seen thousands of pageviews each – we shouldn't delete them as long as they've got reasonable targets. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget either to wikt per jlwoowa or to dabs per IP. The advantage of the target being a DAB is trigger tags and they will be unlinked as unnecessary WP:OVERLINK.

  Web-julio (talk) 07:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget per jlwoodwa. C F A 💬 14:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Prefer to delete; soft redirect to Wiktionary as an second option. If an article is ever created on ordinal adverbs, or mentions of the adverb forms added to English numerals#Ordinal numbers, that would be an obvious retarget. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per 65.92.246.77. Adverb forms of words are good redirects for established pages entitled with the corresponding adjective forms. Nyttend (talk) 00:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ape Escape Racer

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 8#Ape Escape Racer

Jamison Wesley Crowder

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

We're Barack

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Young FC

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Bhuna FC

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Bright (Suikoden)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Gamma Squeeze

• Gamma Squeeze → Short squeeze#Gamma squeeze  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Gamma squeeze → Short squeeze#Gamma squeeze  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Either delete the redir or fix the content of the redir target article. The Short squeeze article currently has no mention of "gamma" or "gamma squeeze" whatsoever. N2e (talk) 10:39, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: Fixed nomination which was malformed. @N2e: You need to place the nomination template below the html line for it to work properly. I've fixed this now. CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:52, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment the redirection is a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gamma Squeeze so this isn't a BLAR situation. Thryduulf (talk) 07:46, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Also bundle Gamma Squeeze into this. Jay 💬 17:44, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Byron Cemetery

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 8#Byron Cemetery

List of Super Heavies

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 11#List of Super Heavies

Stone Jesus

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 8#Stone Jesus

Alpha myrcene

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Srishti

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: disambiguate

John Atoms

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

BlueChew

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Gxarha

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Il giustiziere

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

October 29

Worm that turned

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Killer Mountain (logo)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Khaidi No. 150 (soudtrack)

• Khaidi No. 150 (soudtrack) → Khaidi No. 150  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I'm nominating this one separately because of its history—it apparently used to be an article about the movie's soundtrack until a deletion discussion in April 2017 (the participants of which that resulted in it being redirected to the current target. Aside from spikes in 2021 and 2022, it hasn't been getting very many pageviews since then, so I'm not 100% sure we need this lying around, plus I've also created the correctly spelled Khaidi No. 150 (soundtrack) (which should help readers find the intended target), so I'd like to hear all your thoughts about this. Also, the participants of the deletion discussion (TheLongTone, Jennica, Bovineboy2008, Serial Number 54129, and Jo-Jo Eumerus) might want to weigh in on the matter, so I'm pinging them in case they have anything they might want to add. Regards, SONIC678 05:56, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Restore the four revisions that were deleted at AFD (as I do not see a policy-baaed reason that justified their deletion in accordance with the WP:ATD !votes at the debate), merge the page history up to Onel5969's revision into Khaidi No. 150 (soundtrack), move the talk page to Talk:Khaidi No. 150 (soundtrack), then delete the remaining 2024 revision. ✗plicit 12:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• I'm not 100% sure I understand Explicit's proposal above, but whether the history of the former article is being maintained at Khaidi No. 150 (soundtrack) or Khaidi No. 150 (soudtrack), the target (for both or just the one not deleted) should be refined to Khaidi No. 150#Soundtrack, and I will shortly change this for Khaidi No. 150 (soundtrack). A7V2 (talk) 01:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I Like My Cheese Drippy, Bruh

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

三州府

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 7#三州府

2025 Dutch general election

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 7#2025 Dutch general election

Good Article nominations

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Communism:Overview

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Space In Stereo

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Starlow

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 5#Starlow

Grooving

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 5#Grooving

Site-specific Comedy Opera

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 7#Site-specific Comedy Opera

Tapestries Muck

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

康米

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Dimethylxanthine

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: set indexify

Steve Lambert - Emma Goldman Institute For Anarchist Studies

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Dirhodium tetrakis(trifluoroacetate

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Murgh cholay

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Jokestress

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Joe Hill (journalist)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Joaquin Salamanca

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Jank fraction

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Jacob Condra-Bogan

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Jackask

• Jackask → Jacksfilms  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• JackAsk → Jacksfilms  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No mention of "Jackask" at the target, nor any mention anywhere on Wikipedia outside of one, on John Milhiser, where it is listed as a "television title" that he acted in. For a Youtube series that is intended to be pronounced similarly to Jackass, such a misspelling seems to be the likely ask for searchers of this term. Especially since this Youtube series is not discussed at the target article for Jacksfilms. The singular mention at John Milhiser can very well be a piped link to Jack's general article, forgoing the need to have a potentially misleading redirect as a result. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep and tag as {{r without mention}}. People searching for this term are unlikely to be looking for a different topic. It is mentioned on Digital Trends, which is considered a reliable source. ✗plicit 14:39, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• I could not find a way to insert this Q&A show into the target article. But I'm hoping someone else can, so Keep, or tag as {{R without mention}} per XPLICIT. Jay 💬 10:23, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hydrocal

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Hot Chips

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Herd morality

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Liongate Home Entertainment

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Her Royal Hotness

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 7#Her Royal Hotness

Henț River

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 5#Henț River

Hahn Mahlay

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Gomberg radical reaction

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Clara Gleeson and etc.

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Game data

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

インターネット・アーカイブ

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Uikipedia

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Mollejon Dam

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Ambiguous "planet 3" redirects

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Crapulinsky

• Crapulinsky → Napoleon III  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

See Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_20#Crapulinksy for the reasoning behind this RFD. I didn't notice that the other redirect was misspelled at first. To keep this short, retarget to The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte. Nickps (talk) 13:07, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, not mentioned at either the current or proposed target. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:59, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per nominator's rationale at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 20#Crapulinksy. As far as I can make out, this word is used once in the 18th Brumaire and nowhere else. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:32, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  But so what? Just because a word is used in an essay doesn't mean we should redirect that word to our article on that essay. There's no mention of it at the target. This would be unhelpful to anyone who knows where it's mentioned, confusing to those who don't, and misleading to everyone looking for information about this, whatever it even is. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Celia Homeford: Where is Crapulinksy used in the 18th Brumaire? Can you quote the sentence or point out the location? Jay 💬 11:19, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Final sentence of Chapter 1 according to wikisource. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:05, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte and a mention added. Searching for the word/name, I did find a number of people referring to this written work, specifically about this name. The following academic paper (a reliable source) [72] even discusses, briefly but specifically, what the name means in Marx's writing. I think that merits a mention. Fieari (talk) 07:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Such a mention would be highly WP:UNDUE -- it's only even a footnote in your source. And the only reason you're talking about adding it is because this RFD is here. Redirects should follow content, not the other way around. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 12:03, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, no mention of this phrase at the target article. Contains no valuable history so no context will be lost on deletion. There IS value in deleting this though, as we will no longer be misleading readers with the promise of "crapulinsky" content that does not exist not only at the target article, but "crapulinsky" does not exist anywhere on all of Wikipedia. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 09:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, per Utopes. -- asilvering (talk) 02:06, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How many of us have them

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

October 28

Universe (artwork)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Matthew sucka

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete.

Wokot

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy deleted

Jealousy definitions

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: move

Nintendo Twilight

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Mormons Losing Money

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

4-aminopurine

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Black Yoshi

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Falcoln

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Mabe Village

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 4#Mabe Village

Zelda: The Wand of Gannon

• Zelda: The Wand of Gannon → Link: The Faces of Evil and Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

his name was initially inconsistently spelled, with "gannon" having been used from 1 to alttp in japan, and only in 1 (and later zelda's adventure, but no one cares about that one) in not japan, so it was already out of the equation by the time the cd-i games were out. point is, getting two names mixed up and using an outdated spelling of that name doesn't seem that plausible cogsan _{talk page? contribs? it's yours, my friend} 13:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, plausible and unambiguous; deletion of this does not improve wikipedia BugGhost🦗👻 17:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Further detail because this is getting more deletion votes than I expected: According to our article Ganon, In the Japanese versions of the first three games, his name is anglicized as "Gannon", with the citations implying that the spelling "Gannon" was still being used in 1991 (the Wand of Gamelon came out in 1993). Both the Gamelon/Ganon and Ganon/Gannon mixups are both very plausible in my view, and there is no alternate article that this could possibly redirect to - user definitely wants to find the current target. BugGhost🦗👻 18:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Apparently, "Gamelon" is a setting, not an alternative name for Ganon. For this reason, the redirect is erroneous and not a title match in any form or variation. Steel1943 (talk) 00:14, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  correct, gamelon is the place, ganon (which the game explicitly spells with only two ns) is the green guy cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:07, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Very Weak Keep. I will point out that even though Gamelon and Ganon are not the same word, they DO start and end with the same letters. Given Gamelon only appears in this game, while Ganon is the name of the series' overarching antagonist(s), it's perhaps plausible to get the two confused-- "Okay, so the name is Wand of... something? Starts with a G, ends with N... oh, silly me, it's Ganon!"

However-- and this is a big however-- the addition of misspelling Ganon does reduce plausibility a little more-- however, I would like to point out that this is also an extremely common misspelling of Ganon's name, so perhaps it doesn't hurt plausibility as much as it first appears?

I won't fight too terribly hard if it's deemed that this combo is still too implausible to be considered. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:57, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Too many errors. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Slightly Weak Keep per Lunamann, plus the fact that while acknowledged as an error since, the original Zelda game does officially use the spelling "GANNON" with three Ns. This was unambiguously an error, but an official and published error. Someone could plausibly remember that it was an error from back in the day, and think it applied to this trainwreck of a terrible game. My !vote is a bit stronger than Lunamann's very weak keep because of this, but it's still slightly weak as I wouldn't feel the need to fight vigorously for keeping it. But I do think it's harmless, with an unambiguous target (even if in error), and WP:CHEAP. Fieari (talk) 23:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete too many errors. "Gannon" misspelling has no affinity, this is not the original Zelda game, and we won't be having Gannon misspellings for every single future Zelda game just because it was a typo in only the manual of the original. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:02, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Too implausible of a mistake. QuicoleJR (talk) 15:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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nah, i think 5 delete votes to a keep, a really weak keep, and a slightly less weak keep would have been enough cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussions are based on the strength of arguments, not the strength of bolded !votes. As it happens, it is 3 to 5 numerically, but WP:NOTDEMOCRACY. You may be right in principle but I'd avoid making a comment like this if you're WP:INVOLVED. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 14:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i'll also kind of disagree with that, since even the substantially weak keep vote that the less weak but still weak keep vote was based on argued that getting two names mixed up and misspelling said wrong name might not be all that plausible cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - I could reasonably see someone making both errors. Ganon being the main antagonist of the franchise (and of this game) and starting with the first two letters of Gamelon could potentially cause confusion, as well as Gannon being a typo the first game in the series itself made. (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Problem there is then, a reader could search this redirect expecting the target to contain the subject at Ganon, which it does not. Steel1943 (talk) 22:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't think they would - when they are redirected to the article they would see that the title is actually "Gamelon". BugGhost🦗👻 18:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Horse Grass

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Facecore

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Ruffian (Star Fox)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Herbert the Android Pig

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 4#Herbert the Android Pig

Fay Spaniel

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 4#Fay Spaniel

Uppers (video game)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Greater Luxembourg

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Canada bunting

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 4#Canada bunting

Loudward

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

The Rhythm of ALT

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Nomos Publishing House redirects

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Heather Cerveny

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Harapanahalli railway station

• Harapanahalli railway station → South Western Railway zone  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is no mention of "harapanahalli" at the target article, or any other indication about a "Harapanahalli railway station" at the South Western Railway zone article. The only mention of "harapanahalli railway station" anywhere on Wikipedia is at the overarching article for Harapanahalli, but this article has a good number of problems and only contains two references, so it begs the question whether the railway station needs to be mentioned there either. In any case, it seems that there may need to be a change to either the target, or to the content, or to delete entirely if its not necessary to be included anywhere. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Add mention. Railway stations that verifiably exist (and this one does) are always plausible search terms and are always DUE for a mention on the article about the line and in articles about the settlement they serve. Note also this was a BLAR and should not be deleted without an AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello I'm the person who created this page the Harapanahalli Railway Station which is functioning currently six trains are operating through this station please help me to publish this article

Thank you :) Darshan Kavadi (talk) 15:15, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• comment Each of the three division articles has a list of the stations within the division. These lists appear to be incomplete do I cannot give an appropriate target, but whichever applies would be a good target. Mangoe (talk) 10:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• I cleaned up the language at Harapanahalli#Railway Transportation. There are still no sources, so added a {{cn}}. Jay 💬 10:38, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New York City Birth Index

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Fund for the City of New York

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Fpoon

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Eugenjusz Andrei Komorowski

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Erasing rule

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Electrotechnology

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DXAP-TV

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Diana Burnwood

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Dhol (Kirat)

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David Carroll (academic)

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September 31

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Darts Australia

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Danut Murariu

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April 31

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Daesh Tunisia

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D'ni Restoration Council

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Tata (Persian King)

• Tata (Persian King) → Tata (king of Awan)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There were no Persians at the time of Tata Викидим (talk) 21:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. The Persians haven't been created as separate ethnicity at that time. Ahri Boy (talk) 00:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• This redirect was actually created by Maziargh in 2010 as a redirect to Awan dynasty, then subsequently made into an article by AnnGWik and since moved to the target of the current redirect (none of that is necessarily a reason to keep, though I will also notify those users of this discussion on their talk pages). There is no Tata on List of monarchs of Persia but I don't know enough about the plausibility of someone (incorrectly) believing this Tata to be Persian to say whether this should be deleted or not. A7V2 (talk) 00:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Tata is a semi-mythical figure, but the Awan dynasty dates to approximately 2000 B.C.. As far as I know (I am no expert), Persians came to Persis and became "Persians" a millennium later. If I am correct, Awan kings could not have ruled Persian people. Викидим (talk) 06:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I was more getting at how likely would it be that someone would search for this person in this way, ie that people would think to search for a Persian king. But given the relative obscurity of this person, that question is probably impossible to answer so ultimately I don't think it makes much difference one way or the other if this is deleted. That said I think adding him to Tata (dab page) would be helpful and I will shortly do so, but perhaps you or someone else would like to revise my wording. A7V2 (talk) 22:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as misleading per the abovementioned findings --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:35, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Note that almost certainly the only way someone would find this redirect is by using it or following a link (which would likely be piped given the use of a disambiguator) so rather than being misleading, it can be helpful to help someone who is mistaken to find what they are looking for (but see my reply above as to whether that is likely to actually happen). A7V2 (talk) 22:33, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The existence of a redirect is not a "factual offering". The argument for deletion is like saying redirects from typos should be deleted because they imply the typo is correct. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 18:53, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

• Delete, the target is simply not a Persian king. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:19, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• I echo A7V2's thoughts. As a redirect to Awan dynasty, the redirect was getting views from 2010, which stopped in early 2022. The subsequent views were when the article was being written, and this RfD. Ideally we can argue to delete this since we have a factually titled article now. But Tata (king of Awan) doesn't have any redirects to it. What would be a proper redirect title to indicate a king who ruled some thousand years before his kingdom became part of the "Persian region"? What is a more colloquial name better than Persia to refer to the historial Iran region? Jay 💬 19:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The place is known as Elam or Susiana. Even (Sumerian king) disambiguation would be less factually incorrect. Викидим (talk) 14:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Strong Keep and tag appropriately as a redirect from a (very plausible) error. A redirect is not an endorsement of accuracy, it is a navigation aide to help those who are looking for something find that thing. If someone doesn't know that a thousand years before Persia that land was known as Awan, this redirect will help them. Fieari (talk) 05:40, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chrysolith

• Chrysolith → Peridot  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target in this specific spelling; is this as ambiguous as Chrysolite? 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Googling for "Chrysolith" brings up the Olivine article, which states Translucent olivine is sometimes used as a gemstone called peridot (péridot, the French word for olivine). It is also called chrysolite (or chrysolithe, from the Greek words for gold and stone), though this name is now rarely used in the English language.. Mindat.org gives it as German synonym of: Chrysolite", it's entry for the latter is Predominantly used as a synonym for gem-quality olivine (see also peridot) but has also been used for prehnite and other green gem materials. Our Chrysolite article is a disambig linking to Olivine and other "green or yellow-green-coloured gemstones". My first thought was the completely unrelated chrysalis, searching for "Chrysolith" butterfly does bring up a few people making the same mistake, but not as many or as prominently as I expected. Thryduulf (talk) 00:39, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Based on Thryduulf's research I would lean "keep", since it seems largely helpful (spelling chrysolite/chrysolithe/chrysolithos). Cremastra (talk) 20:01, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. 1234qwer1234qwer4, may I ask why you created this section? Did you notice a instance of this, or someone searching for this somewhere, or is this merely a hypothesis that someone might? Checking Google Trends, I see no Google searches for this term for the last five years. We shouldn't create redirects for typos we hypothesize as plausible searches (WP:RSWIKIOPINION?) if nobody actually ever searches for them. Mathglot (talk) 22:07, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Mathglot I don't understand your comment - 1234qwer1234qwer4 didn't create the redirect, that was El Cazangero in 2015 (they were blocked for copyvios a year later, not relevant to the creation of a redriect) who targetted it to Olivine. It was retargetted in 2020 to it's present target by Opera hat. All 1234... has done is nominate it for discussion. As for utility, the redirect got 80 hits between 1 January and 9 September this year and 64 last year, which is significantly more than nobody (it's also worth noting that your Google Trends search is limited to the United States). Thryduulf (talk) 01:45, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Keep or delete?
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Relisting comment: One more try. Also notified of this discussion at Chrysolite.
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• Keep per Thryduulf's analysis. Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 19:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Thryduulf. Enix150 (talk) 16:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Thryduulf, perhaps an actual mention on the Peridot page is warranted to prevent any cases of WP:RASTONISH. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:34, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Chrysolite since it seems to be just as ambiguous as that term, for which it seems to be an alternative or foreign variant. Felix QW (talk) 17:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Thryduulf --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to the disambiguation page Chrysolite, per Felix QW. Renerpho (talk) 01:12, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget Both with and without the "e" (and with a "us") in many European languages the terms have have over the last 100 years or so become more specific. But our enquirer may not have found the term in a modern work. Of interest there is nomenclature for the subspecies, chrysolite de Saxe being topaz, chrysolit[h]e du cap being phrenite. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 20:38, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]
  
• Retarget, no mention of "lith" at the target page so "lite" captures all desired usages. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 06:18, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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LEИIИGЯAD Cowboy

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Universal Studios

• Universal Studios → Universal Studios, Inc.  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

"Universal Studios" is typically used to refer to either Universal Pictures, the film studio (as a nickname/former name), or the various theme parks around the globe named "Universal Studios" that are operated by Universal Destinations & Experiences. The parent company of both divisions is also named Universal Studios, Inc., which is where universalstudios.com points to (versus universalpictures.com and universaldestinationsandexperiences.com). Universal Studios currently redirects to Universal Studios, Inc., making it an unnecessary disambiguation, but a recent RM ended with no consensus for a move. Previously, the redirect pointed to Universal Pictures. I'm not convinced a primary topic can be determined here, given the two- or three-way split, so I would call for turning this redirect into a disambiguation page. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:45, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Electing for disambiguation per nominator's rationale. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 00:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Universal Pictures (second choice is disambiguation) – At the very least, we have a rough consensus here against Universal Studios, Inc. as the primary topic, with some in that discussion leaning toward Universal Pictures instead. Universal Pictures was originally titled Universal Studios for more than a decade until an undiscussed technical move occurred (never got the discussion it deserved). Then recently in May, the redirect was changed to point to the parent company article instead of Universal Pictures (again, no discussion until this month).

Best case I can present here is that the number of monthly pageviews Universal Pictures receives dwarfs every other Wikipedia article covering some aspect of the company. Outside of Wikipedia, it's much of the same. When you visit the main company's website, the film IP is front and center. When you visit their theme parks, film is front and center there too. Marketing? Yep, still front and center. The entire company revolves around (and depends on) it's film intellectual property, despite having a presence in other areas. Clearly, "Universal Studios" is a term that is most closely associated with the motion picture division of the company. The only other real competition here is Universal Destinations & Experiences, but per WP:DISAMBIG#Deciding to disambiguate, we simply place that in a hatnote like it is currently at Universal Pictures. If someone really feels a disambig page is necessary, we can add that to the hatnote as well. Simple.

BTW, even if the result is no consensus, the redirect should revert back to its former target, Universal Pictures. There doesn't appear to be consensus for that change either. --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:44, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll preface this by saying that consensus is presumed unless reverted, so we do have four months worth of implicit consensus for Universal Studios' current target, and many years worth of implicit consensus for Universal Pictures' current title.

Now, let me present a counterargument. If you look up "Universal Studios" on any search engine, depending on where you are located, you'll most likely see results for the theme park closest to you. For me, it's Universal Studios Hollywood, but you might get Universal Studios Florida, Universal Studios Japan, Universal Studios Singapore, or Universal Studios Beijing. What you likely will not see is Universal Pictures, the film studio, because the word "Studios" does not appear anywhere in the name "Universal Pictures"; it's simply being used as a shorthand or nickname. If you look at sources that discuss the film studio and theme parks, most use "Universal Pictures" to refer to the studio and "Universal Studios _____" to refer to the parks. I don't dispute the fact that Universal Pictures is more notable/important/popular than Universal Studios (the theme parks), but what's the evidence that readers are likely looking for Universal Pictures (a non-title match) rather than the many other pages whose title contains "Universal Studios" when they search the latter term? InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:26, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"consensus is presumed unless reverted" – I know you know I'm a longtime editor (15 years in fact), so you don't need to explain implicit consensus to me, probably just like I don't need to explain to you that it's also the weakest form of consensus that only exists UNTIL "disputed or reverted" (either qualifies). It should be clear I've disputed it, but even if that escaped your attention, did you already forget about this revert by Intrisit? Or how about this revert by 162 etc.? Perhaps I should also take a moment to point out that STATUSQUO is just an essay with zero bite, since you've used it as justification in one of those reverts.

"we do have four months worth...for Universal Studios' current target", "many years...for Universal Pictures current title" – Really? Prior to May, we had 7 years for Universal Studios → Universal Pictures! You can't see this in the immediate history, because the redirect was overwritten in December 2023 by a page move, but it had been like that for years following the 2017 technical move I linked above. 4 months doesn't hold a candle to 7 years, but regardless of the comparison here, presumed consensus is non-existent at this point. It's the same deal regarding the "Universal Pictures" article title. The article was previously titled "Universal Studios" for nearly 14 years, nearly double the amount of time it has been titled "Universal Pictures". Arguing in favor of recent presumed consensus while conveniently ignoring the previous presumed consensus that existed for a greater length of time doesn't make any sense. Your "preface" didn't do your counterargument any favors.

"If you look up "Universal Studios" on any search engine..." – I think it's time you move away from this notion of relying on a basic web search for the premise of your argument. You did this in the previous discussion, and I showed back then (as I'll do now) that these are misleading arguments to bring to the table without proper context. The problem with using Google in the manner you are doing so now is that the "top hits" are tailored to advertising. SEO marketers exploit weaknesses in Google's search algorithms, such as PageRank, to game the system and push to the top of search result rankings. The problem continues to get worse each year, despite improvements made by Google and competing search engines. What you are witnessing in the results is bias; a bias toward marketing/selling/advertising. A better test would be to use Google Books, search on "Universal Studios" in quotes, and then on the results page, refine the results by using the dropdown "Any document" and selecting "Books" only (IMO, the other formats are more likely to cover travel and leisure in the form of advertising, skewing the results). Now what you'll find is that the first page is 4 hits movie studio, 6 theme park. There are some Econoguide and other travel-type publication hits on the next couple pages that favor theme parks, but from page 4 through page 10, the hits are predominantly the movie studio, and by a wide margin. I didn't spend time digging beyond that, but feel free, as this is a more reliable result that holds more weight. Do you find that interesting? I certainly did.

In any case, this may not be the so-called evidence required, and a disambig page is still an acceptable alternative, but let's not pretend that the recent change to the redirect back in May has any kind of standing consensus. Should this discussion end in no consensus, you can bet I'll be reverting that change. --GoneIn60 (talk) 10:29, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I recognize implicit consensus is a weak form of consensus; I was addressing your previous statement that there was "no consensus" for the redirect's current target and Universal Pictures' article title — this is not accurate, although there may be stronger consensus for an alternative.

14 years and Google Books are because Universal Pictures used to be known as Universal Studios, not because Universal Studios is currently the common name for Universal Pictures. My search engine example was an effort to put ourselves in readers' shoes and surface what they are most likely looking for. As I noted in the RM, I agree it's not perfect, but it still shouldn't be entirely discarded. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:30, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"there was "no consensus" for the redirect's current target...this is not accurate" – My statement is entirely accurate, and either you don't seem to fully understand the concept, or you have misinterpreted my statement. Presumed consensus did exist from the time the redirect was changed in May up until the time the recent RM discussion was underway. But it disappeared, poof, vanished, during that discussion as soon as it became obvious that editors disputed the May redirect change. This is why presumed consensus is not worth spending so much time dwelling over or using as a basis for an argument; it is extremely weak. Consensus through editing is no longer presumed when disagreement becomes apparent. As for Universal Pictures, I assume you're referring to the "undiscussed" move comment I made about never getting the discussion it deserved, but I never mention "consensus". You may want to start using quotes to make sure you're getting it right.

"Universal Pictures used to be known as Universal Studios" – I am not following this logic at all in how this relates to 14 years on Wikipedia. Are you trying to draw a correlation between the two that is factual, or just sharing an opinion? Google Books is something concrete we can look at and take into consideration. You're welcome to contribute something as well. The web search, however, is the opposite: flawed and uninformative.

There is also another angle to consider that I pointed out in the RM discussion (which BTW you seem to be avoiding). The pageviews count (1) at Universal Studios, Inc. shot up drastically following the redirect change, which comes as no surprise since we all pretty much agree the redirect change was the wrong move. This is just more supporting evidence of that. It's worth seeing that first and then comparing the pageviews count (2) at the former target, Universal Pictures, you'll notice the 8k+ dropoff that could have happened didn't really happen. A little fluctuation, but not much. The article's traffic essentially holds steady. This implies that Universal Pictures was likely to get that traffic regardless. Kind of an important aspect to consider as well in addition to Google Books and the other points made. --GoneIn60 (talk) 18:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how accurate this is, but according to Universal Pictures' infobox, it was formerly named Universal Studios, so I assumed this is why the Wikipedia article was only moved in 2017 and why some Google Books results use "Universal Studios". If the infobox is wrong, please correct me. Yes, I was referring to your comment on the "undiscussed technical move" of Universal Pictures, and perhaps I shouldn't have paraphrased that as "no consensus", but it seems you were implying that the undiscussed technical move indicates an absence of consensus for the current title.

Regarding the pageviews argument, I no longer claim that Universal Studios, Inc. is the primary topic for "Universal Studios", so I don't contest that Universal Studios should not point to Universal Studios, Inc. I am calling for it to be disambiguated because I don't think Universal Pictures is more "primary" than Universal Studios Hollywood, Universal Studios Florida, et al.

Interestingly, my Google Books results look different than yours. My first page yielded similar results, but pages 4–10 actually had mainly results for the theme parks. Perhaps more telling is that most results for the film studio pertain to the studio's "classic films" (typically the monster movies), i.e. when the studio was (presumably) named Universal Studios. These results were more or less identical when signed out in an incognito tab, so I'm not sure why you got such drastically different results. In any case, while I still don't think we should discard "regular" search entirely (this is how most of our readers navigate the web, not through Google Books or Google Scholar), I took a look at Google Scholar, and the results are similar to Google Books: 5 about the theme parks, 1 about the parent company (hmm, interesting), 3 about the film studio, and somehow the Masterminds production notes ended up on the first page. Second page onward are predominantly about the theme parks, with some monster movies sprinkled in. Google News is virtually all about the theme parks. Are you getting similar results? InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:35, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"it seems you were implying that the undiscussed technical move indicates..." – Nope, simply saying it didn't get the discussion it deserved, full stop. In that discussion, we would have found out if it had consensus. I'm not claiming to know what the outcome would have definitely been.

"I don't know how accurate this is, but ... it was formerly named Universal Studios" – Company infoboxes, especially when they're collapsed like that, rarely get the attention they need to be accurate. This one has an entry for 1996–2014 that is conflating the company with the motion picture division (you can read this in the body), which actually demonstrates the point I'm trying to make! "Universal Studios" is often used interchangeably to refer to "Universal Pictures". People often do this. Books often do this. Editors on Wikipedia apparently do this (thanks for the example). Just another real-world example of why it's harmless for the redirect to point here.

You're missing the point about the the pageviews data. I already acknowledged we all agree about the parent company. This is what you need to focus on. More than 8,000 monthly hits at that redirect (people navigating to "Universal Studios") were taken away from Universal Pictures, yet this went nearly undetected in the average monthly views on that page. The traffic there essentially stays the same. I don't think we can ignore something like that.

"...when the studio was (presumably) named Universal Studios" – So here's what's going to happen. I'm going to explain this, and you are going to move onto the next perceived flaw you can find and see what you can expose. But nevertheless, the company originally opened as Universal City Studios in 1915. Its film division has always to some extent been known as Universal Pictures (there may have been a "Company" tacked on at one point in the mid 20th century). But what you'll notice is that there are books, newspapers, and magazines published from the 1920s all the way through the 2010s that still state "Universal Studios" when casually referring to either the company or the film studio. Interestingly, even from the very beginning, they preferred to drop "City" from the name in publications. Also, it didn't seem too important to distinguish "Universal Pictures" from the main company name. Seems they were always viewed predominantly as one and the same.

That's my personal understanding based on how the terms are interchangeably tossed around in sources. Only in official business relations or documents (or on screen) is extra care seem to be given to "Universal Pictures", which doesn't make it the common name, nor does it necessarily make it a good article title. As for your Google Books results being different than mine, I'll re-run it and post a list of my results. I don't see why those would be different unless we are running the search differently. Google Scholar is fine, but I think Google News suffers from some of the same bias and should be discounted. It's not a good test for this particular topic/debate. -- GoneIn60 (talk) 21:59, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, let's say Universal Pictures is often referred to as "Universal Studios" by academic sources (I take issue with this assertion and ignoring other types of sources, but I'm just going to WP:LETITGO and move on at this point). For the sake of argument, let's suppose that the use of "Universal Studios" to refer to the studio is just as common as using "Universal Pictures", which is the name seen in the opening credits of virtually all Universal pictures and therefore recognizable to most readers. But how does this show that the use of "Universal Studios" to refer to the film studio is substantially more common than the use of "Universal Studios" to refer to the theme parks of the same name? The pageviews argument is interesting, but I think we have convincing evidence that it is also very common to use "Universal Studios" to refer to ... well, Universal Studios. If the parks weren't named "Universal Studios", that would be a different story. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:57, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm back after stepping away for off-wiki commitments. At this point, the lack of participation from new editors (aside from 2pou) indicates this debate has run its course. I'm actually surprised it's still open, but I will close with this...

Your observation "the name seen in the opening credits of virtually all Universal pictures" relies on non-independent, primary sources. I'm sure you're aware from other discussions that when COMMONNAME is invoked, we seek out prevalence in independent sources. We wouldn't treat a primary topic redirect any differently.

The pageviews argument is just one of several angles given, along with Google Books (despite our experiences diverging in this RfD, which may need further exploration down the road). Then there's the WikiNav data explored below illustrating that guests searching for "Universal Studios" are not immediately jumping to theme park articles as you would expect after landing in the wrong article. The hatnote is right there at the top, front and center, and this might be the most convincing data to date (though you may find a reason to doubt it as well if you are beyond convincing, but if that's the case, why bother debating?). Redirecting to a disambig page isn't the end of the world. Not terrible, not great, not really optimal, but fine for now. -- GoneIn60 (talk) 08:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also back after a few days of absence. The portion of my quote you left out is important: the name seen in the opening credits of virtually all Universal pictures and therefore recognizable to most readers (emphasis added). I brought this up because anyone who has seen a Universal picture in the last few decades will likely remember reading "Universal Pictures presents" in front of every film. They won't recall hearing "Universal Studios" anywhere other than (possibly) common parlance or the theme parks ("We're going to Universal Studios!"). This is not advocating for simply adhering to the WP:OFFICIALNAME, I'm making the case that it is the common name precisely because general audiences are so widely exposed to use of the official name. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate - This seems to have clear WP:X or Y (or Z or XX or XY or XZ or YX or YY...) problems. Using the traffic to determine a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT in this case seems flawed. Traffic is going to be driven up because nearly every film from Universal will be linking there as the distributor, skewing the traffic data. You can actually see this as 60% of arrivals to Universal Pictures is coming from other articles (as opposed to search, other namespaces, external, etc.). I wish the WikiNav clickstream worked for Universal Studios, but I think it does not because it is a redirect. Despite the hatnote, people do not get funneled to the Destinations & Experiences page... likely because people arrive via other articles, and they aren't actually searching for one of the Universal Studios parks in those cases. There are just too many options, so a dab page seems to be the most logical solution.
  Link to WikiNav clickstream data discussed. -2pou (talk) 19:30, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Just a preemptive apology to the closer for continuing this very long RfD. The following points need to be made, despite that this round of debate appears to be headed to disambiguation (an acceptable option).

2pou: Glad you jumped in and brought up WikiNav. That's where I was going next before getting sucked into off-Wiki commitments. First, I should clarify that I wasn't arguing that Universal Pictures depended solely on traffic from the redirect. This page gets over 100k monthly views, and the redirect is only responsible for approx 6-7k views. My point was that in the 4-month period following the redirect change, its monthly view count remained fairly steady. There was some fluctuation, but not enough to match what the redirect consistently brought to the table. Is it possible that incoming traffic from other sources saw an uptick during the same timeframe? Sure, it's possible, but it's also unlikely.

So getting back to WikiNav data... You were on the right track, except we should be evaluating the redirect target "Universal Studios, Inc.", which is where people land when searching for "Universal Studios". This is a point of interest, because in earlier discussion we've concluded that "Universal Studios, Inc." fails as the primary topic. We'd like to get a glimpse of where outgoing traffic is headed. In theory, there should be a significant number landing there unexpectedly, leading to some portion of outgoing pageviews headed toward other "Universal Studios" articles. So what does the WikiNav data reveal? Universal Pictures is the #2 hit with 1,520 targets, and none of the theme park articles are in the top 10...Wow! In fact, you have to expand the top 20 just to see one, where you'll also see a partial title match named "Universal Animation Studios" ranked at #12 (151 targets). "Universal Studios Hollywood" sits at #17 (62 targets), and "Universal Studios Florida" sits at #19 (56 targets). They're barely a blip on the radar in comparison. The page gets a total of 14k monthly views, which as we discussed above owes a big chunk to the redirect (6k+ redirected hits per month) that changed in May. These two sets of numbers can help us draw a pretty reliable conclusion.

Even more interesting to me is that the very first link in the article appears in the hatnote which reads, "For the theme parks, see Universal Destinations & Experiences", yet it doesn't even register in the top 20 for outgoing traffic! For all this talk about the theme parks being one of the intended targets for those searching "Universal Studios", that doesn't appear to hold any weight whatsoever according to the WikiNav outgoing data. Something should be registering out of thousands of redirects, but we aren't seeing anything. --GoneIn60 (talk) 07:02, 7 October 2024 (UTC) (updated 16:06, 7 October 2024 (UTC))[reply]

@GoneIn60: Sorry; I didn't mean to suggest you were relying solely on traffic. I understood that, I just wanted to make sure we don't just look at the number it spits out without considering those factors because it was going to be a very high number regardless. I did look at the Universal Studios, Inc. clickstream, and I, too, found it interesting that it didn't funnel people to any parks. I was discussing the Universal Pictures info because I was looking closer at the long-term history before the redirect was retargeted. While I think the data for Universal Studios, Inc. was interesting, I'm seeing that the data is a bit older. It says the data was dumped in August 2024, so it hasn't actually captured the incoming/outgoing traffic since the retargeting on September 10. Overall, I do lean towards disambiguation due to the sheer number of options, but I do agree that if it were to remain a redirect, Universal Pictures is the better option. Several articles for older films, actors, actresses, directors, etc. link there intending the (now) Universal Pictures page. (Yes, that can be resolved via clerical edits...)
I didn't realize until now that Universal Studios, Inc. was only "created" (via a split and move of sorts by HeroWikia - legacy company still captured at MCA_Inc.) in April this year. -2pou (talk) 18:03, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2pou, unless I'm missing something, this all goes back to the redirect change made in May by MinionsFan1998. So the data in August 2024 would be a valid date range to assess.

As for a disambiguation page, I don't disagree there needs to be one. However, I disagree the title of it needs to be "Universal Studios"; instead it should be Universal Studios (disambiguation). We can link to it in a hatnote at Universal Pictures, a common practice described at WP:DISAMBIG#Deciding to disambiguate (and also something I mentioned in my original !vote). Then restore the redirect to its original target (Universal Pictures) based on the evidence provided. --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, you're right. I didn't go back through the history far enough when I saw the 10Sep retarget. Thanks for pointing that out.
I don't have super strong feelings about where the dab page goes, but I do have doubts in having Universal Studios, Inc. as the target. -2pou (talk) 00:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, and I'm with you about the current target. It's the least qualified for sure. My concern with having the redirect go to a DAB page right off the bat, is that there will be quite a bit of work needed to resolve the issues it creates. There appears to be 3,862 Wikilinks from articles using the redirect, and when you look at a lot of those links, they were created with the intention of directing readers to Universal Pictures.

Here's one random example I checked from the list...Piper Laurie. Just read the opening of the Career section and this source (the latter of which was inserted by one of our great copyeditors who sadly is no longer with us). "Universal Studios" is being used in the context of the film studio. We could potentially see many hundreds, if not thousands of these links now land on a DAB page unnecessarily.

We are left with three options:

1. Keep as is – Worst one. Universal Studios, Inc. is essentially the history of "Music Corporation of America", how it came to be, its 1962 buyout of Universal, and everything post-buyout. Many who land here will be confused, as they expect to be reading about Universal's history.
2. Retarget to DAB – Better, but far from perfect. Retargeting here will essentially break a lot of these older links that were meant for "Universal Pictures", forcing readers to make an extra hop (and to choose correctly). It will also create the most work moving forward to manually update and correct these links down the road.
3. Restore original target → Universal Pictures – Best by far given the # of Wikilinks, along with WikiNAV data on the topic phrase "Universal Studios". In addition, we have some loose off-Wiki data from Google Books that seems to support long-term significance in favor of the film studio (theme parks compete but do not overtake the film studio in this space).

Knowing what you know now, 2pou, are you still split between options 2 and 3, or do you have a preference between them? -- GoneIn60 (talk) 05:11, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@GoneIn60: The "Retargeting [to the disambiguation page] will essentially break a lot of these older links that were meant for "Universal Pictures", forcing readers to make an extra hop (and to choose correctly)" will not be a concern if this redirect is disambiguated, considering an internal Wikipedia project page, WP:DPL, encourages editors to disambiguate links that link to or point to disambiguation pages, and there are several editors who work on this. Seriously, if there is one aspect of Wikipedia I have seen consistent over the past 10+ years, other than article creation, it is the plethora of editors ready to disambiguate links. Steel1943 (talk) 01:08, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Even more interesting to me is that the very first link in the article appears in the hatnote which reads, "For the theme parks, see Universal Destinations & Experiences", yet it doesn't even register in the top 20 for outgoing traffic! The hatnotes (on both Universal Studios, Inc. and Universal Pictures) are new and were added by me on the day I opened the RM that preceded this one. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

InfiniteNexus, thanks for pointing that out. I did not catch that in the history. Looks like you added the hatnote on August 31, and I like how you placed both options in there (the main theme parks article and the film studio article). Hopefully we'll get a chance to see WikiNav update soon to show September's data. Its clickstream data dump usually drops in the first few days of the following month, and from what I gather, this is usually processed and displayed about a week later on the 12th. We'll know shortly if the theme park company link in the hatnote became a factor in September.

It's also worth noting a few things. Using the "Search" box to jump to your next destination will still be tracked by WikiNav in outgoing traffic. Even without the hatnote, WikiNav would have still been capturing searches from that page. So for Universal theme park seekers getting their searches right on the 2nd try (by being more specific), we would have seen that in the August data. So I'm a bit skeptical we'll see a huge difference, but we'll see. In addition, the version of the article heading into August did contain Universal theme park links in the Takeover section as well as in the navbox at the bottom. To be fair, "Universal Pictures" was more prominent, appearing one section earlier and also in the infobox. GoneIn60 (talk) 08:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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• Retarget to Universal Pictures as the primary topic and {{r from former name}}. The individual theme parks (Universal Studios Hollywood etc.) are partial title matches, so none of them would be reasonable redirect targets. The broader Universal Destinations & Experiences isn't referred to as "Universal Studios", and per GoneIn60's analysis above, people who search for "Universal Studios" alone aren't usually looking for it.
  I don't see the need for Universal Studios (disambiguation) if it'll only list two other articles. Why not just a hatnote? jlwoodwa (talk) 04:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The fact that the individual theme parks are partial title matches means they are equally plausible candidates for the primary topic as the film studio, which is a zero-title match. A disambiguation page would include Universal Pictures, Universal Studios, Inc., Universal Destinations & Experiences, Universal Studios Hollywood, Universal Studios Florida, Universal Studios Japan, Universal Studios Singapore, Universal Studios Beijing, and Universal Studios Lot. See how it's difficult to prove that the film studio (which, again, does not even include the word "Studios" in its name) is more primary than any of these other candidates? InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:26, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate. If anything, I would believe this redirect is the WP:COMMONNAME for the theme parks, but per the above conversation, seems I may possibly be incorrect in that stance. Either way, I oppose "retarget to Universal Pictures" as there's more than one potential subject to claim the nominated redirect as a common name, and the winner of that trophy is certainly not the film production company. Steel1943 (talk) 01:02, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 21:53, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note – This discussion seems to have stalled. If the closer finds consensus against the current target, but no consensus for which page to retarget, they should perform a WP:BARTENDER close and use their best judgment. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:50, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note – In addition, the page that is now named Universal Studios, Inc. was formerly known as MCA Inc. until a cut-and-paste move occurred in April. AKK700 03:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @AKK-700: How is this relevant to where Universal Studios should point to? InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  wait, this isn't the right place to point this out... I think I should take this somewhere else. AKK700 04:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barangay 79

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User:@Sir MemeGod

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"Degrassi characters" redirects

• Charcters of degrassi → List of Degrassi characters (1987–1992)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Characters of degrassi → List of Degrassi characters (1987–1992)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Characters of Degrassi → List of Degrassi characters (1987–1992)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• List of Degrassi characters → List of Degrassi characters (1987–1992)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Back in 2021, the target page was moved from the last redirect's title to List of Degrassi Junior High & Degrassi High characters (which is worth keeping at the current target since it's accurate and describes exactly what is promised by its title) to avoid confusion with List of Degrassi: The Next Generation characters and List of Degrassi: Next Class characters, but apparently these redirects have stayed at the target for all these months since this move happened. I'm not 100% sure if the current target is the best place to take readers searching any of these terms; but I'm torn between keeping, disambiguating, and deleting; since the target article is the longstanding page of each redirect. I thought I'd bring them to RfD to discuss the best course of action, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on this matter. Regards, SONIC678 18:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambig they are all plausible but ambiguous search terms with no obvious primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 13:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambig between the locations of all the character lists, for Kids of Degrassi Street, Jr.High, High, School's Out, NextGen, NextClass ... -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Charcters of degrassi as a WP:COSTLY, unlikely misspelling. (I currently have no opinion on the rest.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:44, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete #1 per Steel. I drafted a dab at List of Degrassi characters. Jay 💬 13:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Inside Head

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You were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar

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A-hunting we will go, a-hunting we will go, heigh-o, the derry-o, a-hunting we will go

• A-hunting we will go, a-hunting we will go, heigh-o, the derry-o, a-hunting we will go → Yankee Doodle  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Despite being implausible, unlikely as a search term, and wholly unmentioned not at the target article, but also unmentioned across all of Wikipedia, the redirect is also incorrect. It should be "heigh ho", not "heigh o". This exact spelling becomes near impossibly unlikely in the grand scheme of things, keeping in mind that all this time we're simply targeting "Yankee Doodle". People looking for the correctly spelled lyric, will not find it here either. No mention of "hunting" at the target. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just realized: these lyrics aren't even for Yankee Doodle! A-Hunting We Will Go has existed since 2010 so I have ZERO clue how this could have possibly happened, besides expectable carelessness from the mass-redirect creations of unmentioned & unverified lyrics, filled with typos and implausible formatting.

For this page, A-Hunting We Will Go does currently contain lyrics in the article, and the lyrics indeed say "heigh ho". But these are also unsourced and should be removed from the article as well, per WP:NOTLYRICS and not being encyclopedic content. Lyrics can be included on Wikiquote or Lyricfinder if desired, or wherever the appropriate place to put such lyrics, on any site that isn't Wikipedia (because Wikipedia is not a lyric database). Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:35, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to A-Hunting We Will Go anyways, despite the impending removal of lyrics; the title of the song IS present in the redirect, and it would definitely be going to the right place if retargeted.

In other news, this was APPARENTLY created from scratch in August of this year by user:Kjell Knudde; however the history indicates that Kjell was merely adding categories to an existing redirect?? I've got no clue. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:44, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to A-Hunting We Will Go. Cremastra (u — c) 13:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to A-Hunting We Will Go per above. If someone searches these lyrics and ends up at the page for a song that doesn't contain them, chances are they might be WP:ASTONISHed at this. It's preferable to lead them to a song that actually contains them to prevent this from happening. Regards, SONIC678 16:27, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: The lyrics have been removed from the article, because Wikipedia is not a lyric database, furthermore the whole section was unsourced. Also keeping in mind that these are not actually the true lyrics of the song. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 18:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  So, it should be delete nor a specific retarget into A-Hunting We Will Go. There is no match within it's lyrics. Thus, it is include for WP:COSTLY applied. ✴️IcarusThe Astrologer✴️ 02:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Icarus58 But, someone typing in these lyrics will still get given the song to which they belong to. Given that the title is the first line, it should be clear why they're being redirected. I do not see how WP:COSTLY applies. Cremastra (u — c) 19:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Oh, I noted for that — sorry. Please see if this is match with a source: [73] ✴️IcarusThe Astrologer✴️ 22:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Noting: It's not a match, because the song goes "heigh ho", and not "heigh-o" as the redirect uses it. And without a sourced mention at the article, this material, (even if it is "correct" or "incorrect") cannot be reliably verified. And this one is incorrect, so it certainly can't be verified. It is WP:COSTLY because we cannot and should not be expected to maintain unverified lyrics, ESPECIALLY so when they contain obscure errors, as Wikipedia redirects, WP:UNNATURAL. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 08:49, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Given it's a folk song, I think "heigh ho" and "heigh-o" are within the realm of acceptable variation. Cremastra (u — c) 20:34, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Implausible, this is more in the realm of the search function than a redirect. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above. -- asilvering (talk) 15:02, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pump up the jam, pump it up, while your feet are stumping

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Plaisir d'amour ne dure qu'un moment. Chagrin d'amour dure toute la vie.

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Vor der Kaserne vor dem großen Tor stand eine Laterne und steht sie noch davor

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Police and thieves in the street, oh yeah, scaring the nation with their guns and ammunition

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Choose life (quote)

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List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters

• List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• List of charaters in grand theft auto advance → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• List of charaters in Grand Theft Auto Advance → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• List of characters in Grand Theft Auto Advance → Grand Theft Auto Advance#Characters  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

No such list or section at target. However, Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters does exist, but it does not contain a list of characters. (List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters is a {{R with history}}.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Restore redirected article [74] until and unless a valid AFD of the article is done (rather than a unilateral undiscussed and unproposed redirect). Softlavender (talk) 02:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Restore without prejudice per Softlavender and WP:BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 11:33, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Czar since they WP:BLARed List of Grand Theft Auto Advance characters in 2015 [75]. Steel1943 (talk) 12:06, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retain. Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters is a perfectly valid target and alternative to deletion for character lists that are clearly without sourcing for independent notability. The plot section covers everything the reader needs to know about these characters. Sending this unsourced "list" to AfD is needless process unless you think deletion is a better outcome than redirection here. If the "list" title is the issue, then rename as "Characters of Grand Theft Auto Advance" but you'd still have the old title pointing to that redirect. czar 13:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I'll add that many, many "Lists of GameTitle characters" articles redirect to their parent articles' Plot sections same as this does. It's a common redirection because these character lists are just as commonly created, almost always without regard to sourcing. czar 16:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Restore article? Or simply refine to the "Settings and characters" section of the current target?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 06:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete There is no way that the original LoC would survive AFD, and the game itself is only 10ish hours, so even a (new) character section as redirect target seems overkill. – sgeureka ^t•c 09:07, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retain per Czar. Softlavender and Thryduulf suggest restoring and sending to AFD for procedural reasons. as Sgeureka recognizes, this will surely fail to be retained at AFD, which as Czar correctly points out, will likely lead to a redirect. I see no reason to go through that process. Thryduulf points to WP:BLAR, but I see nothing there requiring us to restore it or go through AFD, since no one appears to be arguing for the article to restored.
  I'm confused by Steel1943 and Sgeureka's insistence that the redirect target be an actual list. Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters is a fine target without any modifications. We can and routinely do redirect list titles to articles which discuss the list subject but aren't lists. Daask (talk) 14:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Do not Keep/Retain as no list exists at the target. Other list redirects may exist but because they haven't yet been discussed at RfD. Agree with Czar's compromise of moving the BLARd page to Characters of Grand Theft Auto Advance and refine to Grand Theft Auto Advance#Setting and characters. Make it a move without redirect and delete the other nominated entries. Jay 💬 13:47, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I agree with Jay in that there is no list; someone using this redirect-- which would require someone looking for a list-- would be WP:ASTONISHed to find themselves here. Thus, I disagree with the idea that retaining this redirect is a good idea. I also question the idea of renaming these redirects, given WP:MOVEREDIRECT. Is the history of this page truly important enough to keep that we should rename the redirect in order to prevent it going away when the redirect is deleted, given the extremely low likelihood of it being brought back to a proper article (given its unsourced and non-notable nature)? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete. not present, history had no sources cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 12:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. In some cases not explicitly targetinng a list might be harmful, but this isn't one of them. These character lists are common on Wikipedia and we should take readers to where there is relevant information. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 06:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep As a prequel to Grand Theft Auto III, the game features both new and returning characters. The protagonist is an original character named Mike, who in his quest to avenge the supposed death of his partner, Vinnie, crosses paths with several prominent criminals that offer him assistance. These include explosives expert and firearms trader 8-Ball, Yardies leader King Courtney, and yakuza co-leader Asuka Kasen, all previously featured in Grand Theft Auto III, although their characters received significant changes in appearance and lifestyle to reflect who they were one year prior. is close enough to a list for me. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more try...
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 07:23, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete the "charaters" redirects as implausible misspellings, but weak keep the correctly spelled ones per Czar and others. The target section may not exactly be a list, but as others have argued above me, it's the closest thing we have on Wikipedia to a list of characters on that game. It doesn't make sense to inconvenience readers who are looking for relevant information on these characters. Regards, SONIC678 16:23, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Pure cruft; unnecessary; pointless to restore. Even if LISTN could be passed, it would need TNT. Not salvageable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:00, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2025–26 Formula E World Championship

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Antelope horns

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India as a potential superpower

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Hi-IN

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Th-TH

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Neo-mooris

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Neo-moors

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Amanuwil Binyamin Ya'qub Gharib

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Çornosturuf

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Kırıvçe

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Necko Jenkins

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October 26

The ancient city

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Murgh

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Barney's Magical Musical Adventure

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Burnt Food

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Michael J. Burns

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Canales semicirculares anterior

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Cadenas y canales de televisión

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CSSBuy

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Cruciverbalist

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Crop Protection (journal)

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Crean Hill, Ontario

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Craig Joint Theater Hospital

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Cowboy Luttrell

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Roger M. Cooke

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Conerve

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Communist Party (Kosovo)

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CNN Underscored

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Enslaved Africans

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Pizzaface

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Fântânele River (Mureș)

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Bhairabi Temple, Boudh district

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Ra'ad 1

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Melonade

• Melonade → Homestar Runner  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target; listed in Lucozade#Variants but there is also a more general Wiktionary entry at wikt:melonade. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Soft Retarget to wikt:melonade as the best information currently available on this word. I have doubts it is sufficiently covered in WP:RS to make an article here at this time (but who knows in the future...). Fieari (talk) 06:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom, unmentioned and WP:REDYES 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:54, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. No article has any substantive material. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 12:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• REtarget to melon where melon juice redirects to -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 03:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Soft redirect to wikt:melonade per Thryduulf Fieari. Enix150 (talk) 00:18, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Enix150: Thryduulf hasn't participated in this discussion. Jay 💬 17:05, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Retarget to melon, as redirects to Wiktionary are probably best avoided. J947 ‡ ^edits 23:51, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or weak retarget to Wiktionary:melonade. I oppose "retarget to Melon" since per the existence of Lemonade and Limeade, this title probably has some WP:REDLINK potential that is not adequately explained at Melon. Steel1943 (talk) 23:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish Nose-pickers

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 2#Scottish Nose-pickers

I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Linjian

• Linjian → Lin Jian  (talk · links · history)

The name, which is that of a town in the Chinese province of Shandong, is being redirected to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China spokesperson with same name. Either it should be deleted or be redirected to the target page I have given.Toadboy123 (talk) 03:47, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• NOTE this is a malformed nomination. There is no RfD header on the redirect. The current target of the redirect is Lin Jian, and not that contained in the opening of this section. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Lin Jian is definitely the wrong target. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate with a see also to Lin Jian (林剑) and Linjiang (disambiguation); there is Linjian (临涧镇) in Pingyi County, Shandong, China; there is Linjian (林尘镇) in Zijin, Guangdong, China, listed at List of township-level divisions of Guangdong; Chen Linjian listed at 2020–21 and 2018–19 Chinese Basketball Association seasons; -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:26, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. The first option to think was disambiguate per 65. However, note that the town in Zijin, Guangdong, China, is spelt Linjiang, and another town in Huazhou, Maoming, Guangdong, China (zh:林尘镇) was mistakenly written as Linjian in the list of township-level divisions of Guangdong, but it is actually pronounced Linchen (see also: Huazhou, Guangdong#Towns), which I have corrected, so it is not an entry. Therefore, there are only two valid entries (Linjian as the town in Shandong, and Chen Linjian the basketball player) with zero entries having the actual article, which makes delete the best choice, unless at least one of the article is created. Sun8908 _Talk 16:07, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• @Toadboy123: You had edited Linjian to remove the redirect, but you did not provide a new target, which is why your edit was reverted. Who is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China spokesperson you mention in the nomination? Jay 💬 10:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  That person is Lin Jian. Toadboy123 (talk) 13:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry, I misunderstood. In the nomination you mentioned .. the target page I have given. Which is that target page? Jay 💬 23:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Klm Ryl Dtch Airlines

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Ain't I a stinker? (remaining bundle)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

It's time to d-d-d-d-duel

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 7#It's time to d-d-d-d-duel

Tiff & Tuff (Chara(c)ters)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Hall Airport

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

2001 attacks

• 2001 attacks → September 11 attacks  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• 2001 terrorist attacks → September 11 attacks  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These redirects assume that 9/11 is the only terrorist attack that happened in 2001, which is false. I suggest retargeting them to List of terrorist incidents in 2001. As for 2001 attacks, it can probably be downright deleted by RC,IR as it was made less than a year ago. SeaHaircutSoilReplace (talk) 23:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to List of terrorist incidents in 2001 per @SeaHaircutSoilReplace. Hasn't this been RfD'd before? The term is too ambiguous to target an article about any particular incident, even if 9/11 is the most historically significant. Carguychris (talk) 15:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Carguychris This redirect has not been RfD'd before, which I find ridiculous. SeaHaircutSoilReplace (talk) 15:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  No worries, I think it was something similarly worded and vague, like "2001 terror incident". I just recall making an almost identical comment before. Carguychris (talk) 16:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I just found 2001 terrorist attacks via WLH, and added it to this proposal. SeaHaircutSoilReplace (talk) 17:24, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per above. There were some similar redirects rfed earlier this year but I forget which. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Carguychris and PARKANYAA: you may be thinking of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 9#2001 New York attacks (that nomination was withdrawn), although neither of you commented on in that discussion. I too remember something similar to this and that's the only one I can find. Thryduulf (talk) 22:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @PARAKANYAA: fixing the ping. Thryduulf (talk) 22:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @Thryduulf That was in fact what I was thinking of. I recall another similar one though... but that doesn't really matter I guess haha. Thanks. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  @PARAKANYAA after some more searching I've found Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 9#2001 incident that Carguychris did participate in. The outcome was to delete because it was too vague. Thryduulf (talk) 23:29, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  That was the other one! Thanks. I saw that - I rarely vote in RfDs but I lurk a lot. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Yup, that was it. Carguychris (talk) 15:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I disagree with the nomination, these redirects do not assume that 9/11 is the only terrorist attack in 2001, rather that 9/11 would be the primary topic for these terms. All this is saying is that someone searching "2001 (terrorist) attacks" would 'highly likely' be looking for 9/11 over all other topics. While 2001 also had events like 2001 anthrax attacks and the shoe bomb, all pale in comparison to 9/11. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:37, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep 9/11 is the primary topic. C F A 💬 22:50, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment @Tavix @CFA Even if it was the primary topic, I don't think anyone would search for "2001 attacks" or "2001 terrorist attacks" if they were looking for 9/11. Most likely they'd just search for, well, 9/11. SeaHaircutSoilReplace (talk) 00:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Seems pretty plausible to me, actually. Redirects are cheap. C F A 💬 14:45, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm unclear how the "redirects are cheap" claim applies here at all. The issue is where the redirect targets, not the redirect's existence. Saying this redirect is cheap is akin to not having any type of argument of any stance in this specific discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 21:26, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget Someone typing "2001 terrorist attacks" is much more likely to be looking for a list of terrorist attacks that happened in 2001, especially if they don't know beforehand what title we gave it. That's just a very natural way to search for it. Also, readers looking for 9/11 will easily find it at that target page, while the opposite is way less obvious. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:13, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: I made some searches with [76] and [77] other [78] search engines [79] — the 9/11 terrorist attacks are definitely the PTOPIC for both redirects. I don't see how someone typing "2001 terrorist attacks" is much more likely to be looking for a list of terrorist attacks that happened in 2001, mostly because no evidence is given to support this assertion. Cremastra — talk — c 12:30, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per nom, simply due to the year which the current target occurred being less notable than its month/day combination. Steel1943 (talk) 13:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  To clarify, given the below discussion, I do not believe that the year by itself is sufficient to almost guarantee that readers are looking for the current target. Steel1943 (talk) 18:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per very clear WP:PTOPIC. Fieari (talk) 23:30, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Seems like the primary topic to me too. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:12, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment @Fieari @Pppery Just because it's the primary topic doesn't mean people are gonna search for it. As you can see in the viewcounts for the 3 redirects, the latter two get like, nothing, compared to the 9/11 redirect. All the recent pageviews for them in the past couple weeks are people coming to this RfD anyway.
  • 9/11 views
  • 2001 attacks views
  • 2001 terrorist attacks views

SeaHaircutSoilReplace (talk) 14:00, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Last year, 2001 terrorist attacks got 29 views, which is good enough for me. Even if nobody is using it (and that's not the case), that's not a reason to delete per WP:CHEAP. Cremastra (u — c) 14:32, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cremastra It's not about deleting the redirects, it's about retargeting them to more appropriate targets, as I suggested when I first started this RfD 2 weeks ago. Besides, I only suggested deleting the more recent redirect as a last resort. Aside from that, I never suggested deleting the older redirect created back in 2006, just retargeting it to a more plausible target. SeaHaircutSoilReplace (talk) 16:05, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SeaHaircutSoilReplace Then I'm afraid I don't understand your argument. Just because it's the primary topic doesn't mean people are gonna search for it. As you can see in the viewcounts for the 3 redirects, the latter two get like, nothing, compared to the 9/11 redirect. How do low pageviews point to retargeting to List of terrorist incidents in 2001? Cremastra (u — c) 16:14, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cremastra Because barely anyone uses the redirects for going to the 9/11 page (given the pageviews). Because people are more likely to search for 9/11 instead of either of the 2 redirects, it only makes sense that the 2 redirects redirect to the list of 2001 incidents (given the massive ambiguity of "2001 attacks" compared to 9/11, see Chaotic Enby and Steel1943's points), in spite of the points of 9/11 being the most notable of all the other 2001 incidents. PTOPIC isn't exactly clear if people don't search for the 2 redirects and instead search for 9/11. SeaHaircutSoilReplace (talk) 16:24, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SeaHaircutSoilReplace If "barely anyone" uses the redirects for navigating to 9/11, I don't see how the pageviews will increase if we retarget. I still don't entirely follow your train of thought here. People do use these redirects, and since 9/11 is the PTOPIC here, I simply don't see how retargetting to a more general target is the most helpful option for readers here. Like CFA and Tavix said, it's the primary topic and redirects are cheap. You say it only makes sense that the 2 redirects redirect to the list of 2001 incidents, but I'm still struggling to understand why it makes sense. You seem to be assuming that readers don't use these redirects because (in your view) they point to the wrong place, and that by retargetting to a more general target, pageviews will increase. Readers aren't looking at RfD. They aren't going to spread the word that the redirect got retargetted. Cremastra (u — c) 16:37, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I still don't think 9/11 will be the primary topic, and I never will for that matter. As said earlier, "2001 attacks" is far too vague for anything, including 9/11, to qualify for its primary topic. I'm not going to deal with this any longer. By the way, WP:ICANTHEARYOU seems to apply here. SeaHaircutSoilReplace (talk) 23:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Someone disagreeing with you does not mean that they are editing disruptively. C F A 💬 23:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All right, sure. But I don't think accusing me of sticking to a viewpoint long after community consensus has decided that moving on would be more productive is, in fact, very productive here. But I digress. The searches do show it's the primary topic for me, but PTOPIC is something reasonable people can disagree on; it's often hard to find. I still don't understand what pageviews have to do with anything, but I'm happy to WP:DROPTHESTICK and leave the horse be. This discussion is probably due for a close anyway. Cremastra (u — c) 19:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Retarget per nominator. The 9/11 attacks were not the only attacks to happen in 2001. JIP | Talk 08:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per nominator. While 9/11 was by far the most significant, the anthrax attacks are not to be discounted. Retargeting to the list of attacks in 2001 would still help those looking for the 9/11 article as well as feel consistent to those looking for other attacks. I think it's worth noting that there are fairly large attacks that happened in Angola, China, and Kashmir in 2001. From an internationalization perspective, I can easily see how Wikipedia users in those countries may be thinking of these attacks instead of 9/11 when trying to find "2001 attacks." Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 20:34, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget. I do think someone searching "2001 attacks" is likely to be looking for 9/11, but they'll find it on the new target page. As for "2001 terrorist attacks", this seems to me to be the most normal way to search for the material we have at List of terrorist incidents in 2001, a phrase I would probably not manage to come up with on my own (and I'm someone who is familiar with our title conventions in general). It's probably how I would start out by searching for that information on google. -- asilvering (talk) 14:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of City 17

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Obstipation

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft redirect

Wikipedia:VB

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Sonam Maskar

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Uncle Cosmo

• Uncle Cosmo → Columbo (character)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

still not the biggest columbohead out there, but from a couple days of looking around, i haven't found any relation between this name and columbo (or columbo). is this something from later episodes that just hasn't been mentioned anywhere yet, or...? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 17:46, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Uncle Cosmo was a nickname sometimes used, as is correctly indicated by the "R from nickname" template used in the redirect. Please do your homework prior to making nominations, because this is easily destroying carefully created infrastructure and costs time which could be better spend on improving or adding contents. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 17:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. This could've been caught by simply plugging in "Uncle Cosmo" Columbo into Google. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:34, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  i did that before, and got one result saying it used by his nephew in one episode (episode 60, to be specific), and never again by anyone else, and that result was in page 2 of 2, in a suspiciously old-wikipedia-mirror-shaped site, unsourced, mentioned in passing, and buried among unrelated uncles named cosmo seemingly related to people seemingly known as "colombo". looking again, it's the same case, but now there are also reports of some "rfd" thing started by someone named "cogsan". no idea who that is, but he sounds like he'd be a total wonk

  i would withdraw based on this, but the fact that there are no sources, reliable or otherwise (google told me there was something around quora, but i didn't find it there) that even imply anything about this (nick)name's existence aside from up to this diff which another site seems to have yoinked by accident, while "frank" and "philip" have a citation each (yes, i know the latter is false), leads me to question if it's worth keeping, as the only mention i found outside of fancruft in the target's edit history was still circular

  if you two found something i didn't, i would appreciate it cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Hm. Checking myself, you're right-- I'd initially seen the first result being Quora and went, "Okay, this is a known answer.' In reality, it... was not. Whops. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  clearly, his first name is "lieutenant" cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 16:44, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Anyone else able to find any sign of this anywhere?
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• Retarget to Ronnie Nyakale I don't think a Quora answer is sufficient to provide evidence for this nickname, especially when it is unmentioned in the target. I couldn't find any other sources either. OTOH, "Uncle Cosmo" is listed as an alternative name for Nyakale in his infobox. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:37, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It's mentioned, but it's unsourced. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:34, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  After doing some digging, it looks like it is the name of his character in the TV show Generations: The Legacy. I've added a sourced mention there, so I now propose targeting that page. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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retarget to generations: the legacy, since it's the best we got cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 14:04, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:IBP

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Withdrawn

Back to Gecko

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Picric acid (homeopathic remedy)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 5#Picric acid (homeopathic remedy)

MOS:ASTRO

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Chaotolerance

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 2#Chaotolerance

ChinaFile

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 2#ChinaFile

Chir'daki

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 2#Chir'daki

Murder of Paige Chivers

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 2#Murder of Paige Chivers

Chlaenius atratulus and Chlaenius azureulus

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Cozy horror

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Chlaenius anchomenoides and some

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

1HQ3Go3ggs8pFnXuHVHRytPCq5fGG8Hbhx

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 4#1HQ3Go3ggs8pFnXuHVHRytPCq5fGG8Hbhx

October 25

Wikipedia:ZNB

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Geoffrey Chalmers

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Arbeitsamt

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 4#Arbeitsamt

S-compact space

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 4#S-compact space

Usurper King

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 1#Usurper King

N3rd

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Isometry (mathematics)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Quran Afghanistan

• Quran Afghanistan → World's Largest Handmade Quran in Afghanistan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Quran in Afghanistan → World's Largest Handmade Quran in Afghanistan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Very general term; this Quran doesn't come up in the entire first page of google results. I'm not seeing a primary topic here. Rusalkii (talk) 19:09, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Likewise Quran in Afghanistan . 19:10, 23 September 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rusalkii (talk • contribs)

I've added that to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 19:41, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as classic WP:XY. -1ctinus📝🗨 14:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an XY situation at all, as the redirect only refers to a single topic. It may or may not be vague or ambiguous, but it isn't XY. Thryduulf (talk) Thryduulf (talk) 14:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as too ambiguous; there are probably hundreds of Qurans in the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:24, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep as primary topic. Which other Afghani Qurans are discussed on Wikipedia? -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Searches for "Quran in Afghanistan" return mostly the 2012 Afghanistan Quran burning protests, followed by some assorted social media slosh. My leaning is delete because this ambiguous, but I'm willing to try drafting a DAB page. Cremastra (u — c) 14:23, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done at Quran in Afghanistan. Cremastra (u — c) 20:22, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambig per Cremastra's draft. Jay 💬 07:51, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Thoughts on disambig?
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• Disambiguate per Cremastra's draft, with deletion as a second choice. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The current target of these redirects, World's Largest Handmade Quran in Afghanistan, has been nominated for WP:AFD (AfD discussion): If the current target gets deleted, a disambiguation page would be a WP:TWODAB situation. Steel1943 (talk) 19:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. After giving this some thought, none of the current articles listed at the proposed disambiguation page are truly plausible as targets readers may be searching for when looking up these phrases. Steel1943 (talk) 19:37, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak retarget Quran in Afghanistan to Islam in Afghanistan, as this sounds like the sort of dab that should really be a broad-concept article, but the "Islam in Afghanistan" seems related enough that it would cover all the bases. Delete Quran Afghanistan as ungrammatical. Duckmather (talk) 01:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Snapseed 2.22.412829873

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 4#Snapseed 2.22.412829873

Spacelike vector

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 4#Spacelike vector

Tick tock tick tock tick tock

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Farage riots

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Texvc

• Texvc → Wikipedia:Texvc  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Legacy cruft does not warrant a double soft redirect from mainspace. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:14, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep or retarget if a mention is added. The page was moved (without redirect) to project space in 2010 following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texvc reached no consensus. The redirect was recreated "since Meta has many links to this page, and I don't have access to a bot to correct Meta". The redirect gets over 400 hits a year with only a handful of days with zero visits, and I can find no evidence of anything else with this name so it's clearly providing value to those using it. I don't know how to filter out all the manpages, package lists, forum questions and programming snippets, etc. to assess whether this is notable enough for a mention somewhere, but someone who does know how to do that should do that. Thryduulf (talk) 19:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Since there is no page in projectspace, it is a redirect to an offsite location, this is therefore a redirect to an offsite location, and not the proper use of a redirect. The only proper offsite location redirect in articlespace is Wiktionary. Per Thryduulf's stats, WP:REDLINK to allow creation of an article, should it prove notable. -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 21:58, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The only proper offsite location redirect in articlespace is Wiktionary this is incorrect. While Wiktionary is the most common target of soft redirects in the mainspace it is not the only one. Thryduulf (talk) 22:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: unambiguous. Cremastra (talk) 01:11, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Mainspace -> Project namespace -> MediaWiki page = at least one WP:XNR too many. Steel1943 (talk) 23:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Why? In what way is this harming anybody or anything? Thryduulf (talk) 17:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  It's too many redirections initially starting in a namespace not related to its final target. Such a title being in the "Wikipedia:" namespace (the redirect's target) makes sense, but not from the article namespace. That, and the acronym seems like it may be a subject which has either WP:REDYES potential as either a standalone article or a subtopic to add into TeX or AMS-LaTeX per the very text on the target of Wikipedia:Texvc. Steel1943 (talk) 18:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Even with the proposals to retarget below (before this timestamp), I still believe that deletion is more helpful in this case. Steel1943 (talk) 23:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• There seems to be no consensus to delete, but this double redirect is messy. Soft retarget to mediawikiwiki:texvc. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 13:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 09:32, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, target interferes with searching for mainspace targets such as Texvalley. Not an encyclopedic article, and distracts real searches for real articles. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 15:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Also bundle TeXvc with this. Jay 💬 15:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Soft redirect per TechnoSquirrel69, which would resolve the double redirect issue. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This is all over the place - any more support for TechnoSquirrel69's compromise suggestion?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 21:50, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• @Asilvering: bundle with TeXvc if we're here? Granted, it's been a while for this discussion so adding a new title might be dubious this late in the process, but I don't think anyone would disagree that the two redirects should have the same outcome. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:20, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I think you're probably right, but since we can't even decide on an outcome, I hesitate to make it even the tiniest bit more complicated... -- asilvering (talk) 22:25, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Valid! No worries, Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• (edit conflict)Also on a different note, I disagree with soft redirecting to mediawikiwiki space and still prefer deletion. The mainspace search term continues to interfere with mainspace searching, which should be our highest priority to keep clean. We do not have any encyclopedic information regarding "texvc" in mainspace, and there's no need to keep a mainspace soft-cross-project-redirect for obsolete legacy cruft, when it's one character off of "texva" and likely mainspace material. We already have WP:Texvc. We don't need another, and we don't need it in mainspace. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 22:28, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete to avoid confusing cross-namespace double redirects. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 15:26, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• I clarified the pre-existing mention of texvc in MediaWiki to actually use its name, so that is probably valid redirect target now. (Not making a bold vote since I did do a bit of work on texvc as MediaWiki developer.) Legoktm (talk) 07:20, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment it looks like "texvc" is actually a LaTeX package (as opposed to a MediaWiki-specific piece of code)? It looks like we might be barreling towards a no-consensus close here. Duckmather (talk) 02:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Symbolism (arts)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Cancellated

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 4#Cancellated

India women's national futsal team

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 1#India women's national futsal team

Zelda 2016

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 1#Zelda 2016

Japanese opera

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

2007-06-17 (June 17, 2007)

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List of Yoshi series bosses

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Mrinal Chauhan

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List of deputy speakers of the Goa Legislative Assembly

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Hoppy the Frog

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2028 World Athletics Indoor Championships

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Future Formula One World Championships

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Future Indian Premier League seasons

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Keep 2026, Delete the rest

CSSHQ

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Ceddin Deden

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 4#Ceddin Deden

Eirik Suhrke

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 1#Eirik Suhrke

April 4, 1974

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Will (sociology)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

2025 AFC U-20 Asian Cup squads

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

2025 FIFA Beach Soccer World Cup squads

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2025 Africa Cup of Nations squads

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

June 3, 2007

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget